Circumcision banned in Germany

[Pretty pink fairy]

Round heads and cavaliers ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Germany targeting the Jewish faith ................ oh hold on

 

[cloud]

Germany targeting the Jewish faith ................ oh hold on

Or you could equally say that they are against mutiliation because of WW2 tattoos, and against the forcing of religious beliefs on people for the same reasons

 

[Dandyman]

Or you could equally say that they are against mutiliation because of WW2 tattoos, and against the forcing of religious beliefs on people for the same reasons

Taboos ? A child can't in fact give consent to any medical operation but I doubt the Germans are going to ban children having their tonsils out.

 

[Durlston]

Mornings wouldn't be as much fun without picking long ticklish pubes out of the foreskin.

 

[Falkor]

Taboos ? A child can't in fact give consent to any medical operation but I doubt the Germans are going to ban children having their tonsils out.

ffs really

 

[Silent Bob]

Physically different yes, but morally whats the difference, why cant Muslim do that to women but its acceptable for one religion, i dont get why its ok to cut one persons body part without permission but not anothers

The moral difference and the physical difference are the same. I don't agree with ritual circumcision for anyone but clitorectomy has far bigger/worse effects, therefore it is a worse thing to do. Obviously. It also has a much more sinister purpose, to increase the value of women as property basically.

 

[SeagullSongs]

Some people on here...

Tonsils are removed because of infection, and it's doesn't exactly change much if they are removed.
The clitoris helps a woman achieve orgasm (although not the only means), but I agree, it's utterly barbaric to remove it.
The foreskin has little effect on reaching orgasm, but if it's removed, the head of the penis will become less sensitive over time so sex will be less enjoyable for the man.
If a man couldn't reach orgasm without a foreskin, he wouldn't be able to have children and the religion wouldn't be able to continue...

 

[Acker79]

Tonsils are removed because of infection, and it's doesn't exactly change much if they are moved.

Tonsillitis can kill. Removing them can directly save a life.

 

[SeagullSongs]

Tonsillitis can kill. Removing them can directly save a life.

I mean there's barely any difference between having healthy tonsils and having no tonsils at all.

 

[Acker79]

I mean there's barely any difference between having healthy tonsils and having no tonsils at all.

But tonsils aren't normally removed from babies for religious reasons, are they? They are usually removed when tonsillitis is present and a serious health risk, and most common in children aged 5-15 - where they can talk and to some degree understand.

 

[skipper734]

But tonsils aren't normally removed from babies for religious reasons, are they? They are usually removed when tonsillitis is present and a serious health risk, and most common in children aged 5-15 - where they can talk and to some degree understand.

It's painful to talk when you have tonsillitis though. I was four, so that's at least two things my parents did to me without my permission. A year later they forced me to go to School and other stuff I wasn't keen on! It's what parents do!

 

[Gullys Cats]

Oh well, I guess the skin is meant to be there.

 

[1066familyman]

It's painful to talk when you have tonsillitis though. I was four, so that's at least two things my parents did to me without my permission. A year later they forced me to go to School and other stuff I wasn't keen on! It's what parents do!

Exactly !

Kids grow up with the culture/religion of their parents, that's how it is. If the state intervenes and says they, the state, know better, then the state is just being hypocritical. Some things in life go much deeper than just the mechanics of the thing, I believe male circumcision for a lot of cultures is one of those.

 

[Acker79]

Kids grow up with the culture/religion of their parents, that's how it is. If the state intervenes and says they, the state, know better, then the state is just being hypocritical. Some things in life go much deeper than just the mechanics of the thing, I believe male circumcision for a lot of cultures is one of those.

Are the state saying they know better, or that the individual should at least have the chance to make a decision for themselves regarding non-essential cosmetic surgery procedures in the name of a religion they may grow up to disagree with?

 

[Acker79]

It's painful to talk when you have tonsillitis though. I was four, so that's at least two things my parents did to me without my permission. A year later they forced me to go to School and other stuff I wasn't keen on! It's what parents do!

The law forces you to go to school. It may be painful to talk, but not impossible, and you can still understand to a degree and nod or shake your head.

 

[Silent Bob]

Exactly !

Kids grow up with the culture/religion of their parents, that's how it is. If the state intervenes and says they, the state, know better, then the state is just being hypocritical. Some things in life go much deeper than just the mechanics of the thing, I believe male circumcision for a lot of cultures is one of those.

Hypocritical in what way?
I think education and treating diseases do serve pretty practical purposes really.

 

[skipper734]

Penile cancer is a rare cancer in developed nations. The annual incidence is approximately 1 in 100,000 men in the United States,[1] 1 in 250,000 in Australia,[2] and 0.82 per 100,000 in Denmark.[3] In the United Kingdom fewer than 500 men are diagnosed with penile cancer every year.[4] The lifetime risk has been estimated as 1 in 1,437 in the United States and 1 in 1,694 in Denmark;[5] among uncircumcised males, 1 in 600.[6] Penile cancer accounts for up to 10% of cancers in men in some parts of Asia, Africa, and South America.[7]

 

[Acker79]

Penile cancer is a rare cancer in developed nations. The annual incidence is approximately 1 in 100,000 men in the United States,[1] 1 in 250,000 in Australia,[2] and 0.82 per 100,000 in Denmark.[3] In the United Kingdom fewer than 500 men are diagnosed with penile cancer every year.[4] The lifetime risk has been estimated as 1 in 1,437 in the United States and 1 in 1,694 in Denmark;[5] among uncircumcised males, 1 in 600.[6] Penile cancer accounts for up to 10% of cancers in men in some parts of Asia, Africa, and South America.[7]

Again, that's all well and good, but it is not the motivating factor in the circumcision of babies.

 

[ofco8]

I've never heard of a case where a man who was circumcised as a baby had a serious complaint about it as an adult. It just seems to be other people imposing their views on an ethnic minority.

A mate of mine was snipped as a baby. He never forgave his parents for having him done as he said it was his body and only he should have been able to make the decision.
He said he would not have been circumcised if he had had the choice.