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[WATFORD zero]

Brentford and Fulham too, they haven’t been raped like us have they?

Last summer, Brentford had to sell Toney and Raya, arguably their best two best players, Fulham had to sell Palhinha last summer and Mitrovic the year before, whilst we sold Undav, Gilmore and Pascal.

I think it simply appears worse for us because we are so close to it, but in the last four years I would suggest that the sales we didn't want to make were Bissouma, White, Trossard, Alimac, Caicedo and Cucurella, less than two a year on average and judging by our league position, we have improved hugely over those four years.

If it's any help, I thought that we had hit our ceiling when we got promoted to the Premier and expected a couple of seasons before we went back down. Luckily Tone had different ideas

 

[Justice]

Also if we dig our heels in too hard about players leaving, the next generation of Caicedo , MacAllister won’t come to Brighton.

I think we get it spot on, one of the reasons we have a reputation for being such a well-run club.

I get the players sure I don’t get why we have to be a training ground for young managers. You dont get that much in compensation if any and we have to put up with going back to square one every couple of seasons.

 

[Hiheidi]

Last summer, Brentford had to sell Toney and Raya, arguably their best two best players, Fulham had to sell Palhinha and we sold Undav, Gilmore and Pascal.

You are quite right, but Toney and Raya played for Brentford for four years. It's the two year or less (Cucurella) buy-sell cycle which is worrying, especially because it seems to take a year to get a player up to speed in our squad, so we get one good year (during which the rumours start) and then they are off.

 

[raymondo]

Baleba and Caicedo as your double pivot and you might as well shut the league down.

Nah... I'm unsure they would fit well together.

 

[Insel affe]

At this rate we’ll at last be able to say that Brighton players have won a trophy.

Keep up at the back grandad, it has already been done, it don't get much bigger than a world cup winner.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You are quite right, but Toney and Raya played for Brentford for four years. It's the two year or less (Cucurella) buy-sell cycle which is worrying, especially because it seems to take a year to get a player up to speed in our squad, so we get one good year (during which the rumours start) and then they are off.

I agree but think it was Cucurella and Caicedo where we didn't expect (or plan) for them to go so quickly and it was only the money involved that swung it. IIRC City pulled out on Cucurella at £30M and Liverpool on Caicedo at £70M which I think was about right.

It was only the headcases at Chelsea that carried on in each case (and then blew another 25M on Bob)

 

[Berty23]

We are a victim of our own success but that’s fine. Obviously every player has a price. Would Man City turn down 10 billion for haaland? Obviously not. Would they accept 100k? Obviously not. So the price is somewhere in between. We get top prices for our players because we negotiate hard. Had we kept caicedo and Ali mack then we would not have Pedro and Baleba.

Football is a job. They have a short career and want money and glory. I suspect the glory part that foreign players crave is winning trophies rather than becoming a Brighton legend.

 

[Berty23]

Re Brentford. Their centre back will be off this summer.

Forest may well lose one centre back. But they have been VERY lucky with injuries so league table might be a bit of lie. Who else would we want? MGW? Anderson maybe?

 

[raymondo]

Some of the replies are enjoyable

 

[Flounce]

We are a victim of our own success but that’s fine. Obviously every player has a price. Would Man City turn down 10 billion for haaland? Obviously not. Would they accept 100k? Obviously not. So the price is somewhere in between. We get top prices for our players because we negotiate hard. Had we kept caicedo and Ali mack then we would not have Pedro and Baleba.

Football is a job. They have a short career and want money and glory. I suspect the glory part that foreign players crave is winning trophies rather than becoming a Brighton legend.

And if we keep selling our best players we have little chance of ever winning a trophy and dream all you like we won’t be winning one this season either

 

[WATFORD zero]

Nah... I'm unsure they would fit well together.

I was thinking that, and with Caicedo still only 23 and Fernandez 24 still some years of their peak, plus all the hundreds of other midfielders they have I can't see where Baleba would fit

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I would love to know how hard we tried to convince any of them to stay rather than saying “offer more” and they’re yours I suggest our model falls down a little because of it. Other clubs come nowhere close to us in offloading their best players just as they become absolute quality. They fight to keep them, it appears we don’t, we just want more money for them.

I personally disagree and think part of the reason are model is so successful is precisely because we expect to sell and are comfortable with selling. If you know you are going to sell a player when he reaches a certain level, it encourages you to plan for his departure, to identify and sign replacements, and not stress out. If on the other hand you don't do this, and instead fight to keep your best players, you either end up spending a fortune to keep them, or lose them anyway and get worse as a result - and crucially, spend your days feeling sorry for yourself.

I honestly think that part of the skill of being a stable, upwardly-mobile premier league club is to be perfectly happy about losing your best players and constantly plan for it. You can't always get someone as good in the same position, of course, but you can put the money to good use. The value of the squad is the key metric here, not the individual players, and the value of our squad has consistently increased throughout our time in the premier league.

 

[Flounce]

I personally disagree and think part of the reason are model is so successful is precisely because we expect to sell and are comfortable with selling. If you know you are going to sell a player when he reaches a certain level, it encourages you to plan for his departure, to identify and sign replacements, and not stress out. If on the other hand you don't do this, and instead fight to keep your best players, you either end up spending a fortune to keep them, or lose them anyway and get worse as a result - and crucially, spend your days feeling sorry for yourself.

I honestly think that part of the skill of being a stable, upwardly-mobile premier league club is to be perfectly happy about losing your best players and constantly plan for it. You can't always get someone as good in the same position, of course, but you can put the money to good use. The value of the squad is the key metric here, not the individual players, and the value of our squad has consistently increased throughout our time in the premier league.

We don’t get enough years out of our World class players. Sold as soon as they reach that level. Makes sense financially, makes no sense at all in climbing the table. We are currently going backwards with players and manager

 

[WhingForPresident]

Some of the replies are enjoyable

 

[Justice]

No wonder RDZ left. He saw clearly that we're not trying very hard to build anything on the pitch. We're little more than a shop window for players just passing through en route to A Big Club

No wonder RDZ left. He saw clearly that we're not trying very hard to build anything on the pitch. We're little more than a shop window for players just passing through en route to A Big Club

I’ve noticed this season especially the current crop turn up when we play the potential suitors clubs they dream of playing for.
You can talk tactics all you like the drop off at Everton was shameful they didn’t put any effort in compared to Man Utd

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I personally disagree and think part of the reason are model is so successful is precisely because we expect to sell and are comfortable with selling. If you know you are going to sell a player when he reaches a certain level, it encourages you to plan for his departure, to identify and sign replacements, and not stress out. If on the other hand you don't do this, and instead fight to keep your best players, you either end up spending a fortune to keep them, or lose them anyway and get worse as a result - and crucially, spend your days feeling sorry for yourself.

I honestly think that part of the skill of being a stable, upwardly-mobile premier league club is to be perfectly happy about losing your best players and constantly plan for it. You can't always get someone as good in the same position, of course, but you can put the money to good use. The value of the squad is the key metric here, not the individual players, and the value of our squad has consistently increased throughout our time in the premier league.

Disagree. The key metric for footballing success is the strength of your core starting eleven. Ours gets gradually eroded year on year. And squad-wise over the Summer we spent way too much money on way too many bang average players who have had negligible impact

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

We don’t get enough years out of our World class players. Sold as soon as they reach that level. Makes sense financially, makes no sense at all in climbing the table. We are currently going backwards with players and manager

Don't get enough years for what? what does an extra year of them give us in the long-run? We are trying to build something permanent and successful. That means continuously increasing the intrinsic value of the squad. That's requires years and years of player trading, making profit on players so the net set of purchases are at the next rung up the ladder, and salaries increased incrementally. Takes time, takes a lot of time, but the only way we become properly successful is by getting our squad to be consistently at the level of the top teams. Keeping Caicedo for another couple of seasons now doesn't move the needle on that because he wouldn't be around regardless when our squad is at that level.

 

[raymondo]

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[Insel affe]

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£25-45million max....

is the guy stoopid or wot !!

Has he forgot about
1: Selling to a northern club tax = plus £10 million.
2: Chav tax = plus £10 million.
3: Inconvenience tax = plus £10 million.
4: Star man tax = £10 million.
5: Just because tax = £10 million.
6: Your loaded and stupid tax = £10 million.

I make with the lets be fair here, and take the average of the blokes offer £35 million then is makes it £95 million, we might as well round it up to £100 million.

 

[Flounce]

Don't get enough years for what? what does an extra year of them give us in the long-run? We are trying to build something permanent and successful. That means continuously increasing the intrinsic value of the squad. That's requires years and years of player trading, making profit on players so the net set of purchases are at the next rung up the ladder, and salaries increased incrementally. Takes time, takes a lot of time, but the only way we become properly successful is by getting our squad to be consistently at the level of the top teams. Keeping Caicedo for another couple of seasons now doesn't move the needle on that because he wouldn't be around regardless when our squad is at that level.

If we’d kept Ali Mac and Caicedo last season I suggest we would have gone MUCH deeper in the Europa League and maybe won it. We aren’t going to even be in the mix for the Europa league this season and if we continue to sell our star players within months of them being at the level required we won’t be getting there again. The incremental improvement has ground to a halt because of it imo

I guess you will be happy to see Baleba gone in the summer?