BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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No more compliments then, how sad.
Statement of fact. The dress was doubtless designed that way, for women to wear because it made them feel good. Probably why she bought it."That's a great dress, it really shows off your curves".
Unacceptable. Unless said trousers were particularly tight, or he was walking around with a mammoth stiffy, it isn't true either, so clearly harassment. The opposite equivalent would be something like, " I love that dress - I love the way it clings to the mound of your c**t". That's a long, long way from what was said.......................looked him up and down, and said to him "I love those trousers. They really show the shape of your dick".
Exactly. If innocent remarks are called out as sexual harassment, how much harder it makes the battle against real sexual harassment (in the same way as inappropriate shouts of racism hinder the real fight against real racism).With attitudes like that in the workplace what hope is there ?
Statement of fact. The dress was doubtless designed that way, for women to wear because it made them feel good. Probably why she bought it.
N.B. That does not mean it is an invitation to grope, rape or make lewd comments (none of which appears to have been the case here).
Unacceptable. Unless said trousers were particularly tight, or he was walking around with a mammoth stiffy, it isn't true either, so clearly harassment. The opposite equivalent would be something like, " I love that dress - I love the way it clings to the mound of your c**t". That's a long, long way from what was said.
Exactly. If innocent remarks are called out as sexual harassment, how much harder it makes the battle against real sexual harassment (in the same way as inappropriate shouts of racism hinder the real fight against real racism).
Westdene had it right. There was no reason, whatsoever, to refer to the colleagues curves or her figure. The dress was great, pretty, stylish etc. There is a line and the CEO crossed it making the woman feel uncomfortable.
Your opinion. Not mine.
Not all women nor all men think the same. Blanket statements also do not help the real issues. You're giving fuel to the "it's all PC gone mad" morons.Yes, the opinion of a woman, as opposed to a man.
How on earth do you think, you know how a woman thinks?
Statement of fact. The dress was doubtless designed that way, for women to wear because it made them feel good. Probably why she bought it.
N.B. That does not mean it is an invitation to grope, rape or make lewd comments (none of which appears to have been the case here).
Unacceptable. Unless said trousers were particularly tight, or he was walking around with a mammoth stiffy, it isn't true either, so clearly harassment. The opposite equivalent would be something like, " I love that dress - I love the way it clings to the mound of your c**t". That's a long, long way from what was said.
Exactly. If innocent remarks are called out as sexual harassment, how much harder it makes the battle against real sexual harassment (in the same way as inappropriate shouts of racism hinder the real fight against real racism).
The point being that the woman being commented on felt uncomfortable about it. Some of it comes down to common sense and how well you know the person you're commenting on. There's women in my office I know well enough to know if I could use a comment like that. If I don't know them well enough I wouldn't dream of commenting on their physical attributes. It's a workplace not a bar or a club.
As for the HR Director's comments to the CEO, it was a lesson in taking that sort of workplace behaviour seriously rather than being so dismissive.
Just for clarity following [MENTION=14365]Thunder Bolt[/MENTION] 's post - it wasn't the CEO that used the phrase, it was another male employee.
The point being that the woman being commented on felt uncomfortable about it. Some of it comes down to common sense and how well you know the person you're commenting on. There's women in my office I know well enough to know if I could use a comment like that. If I don't know them well enough I wouldn't dream of commenting on their physical attributes. It's a workplace not a bar or a club.
As for the HR Director's comments to the CEO, it was a lesson in taking that sort of workplace behaviour seriously rather than being so dismissive.
Just for clarity following [MENTION=14365]Thunder Bolt[/MENTION] 's post - it wasn't the CEO that used the phrase, it was another male employee.
Not all women nor all men think the same. Blanket statements also do not help the real issues. You're giving fuel to the "it's all PC gone mad" morons.
I'm pretty sure that even my mum, who is totally feminist, left wing etc wouldn't think that the case mentioned was sexist. In fact I'm going to ask her.
Sadly it still exists in the workplace. A friend of mine is an HR Director and one of the women at her workplace complained when one of her male colleagues said "That's a great dress, it really shows off your curves.". My friend dealt with it but next board meeting, where all the directors except my friend are male, she was questioned why she upheld the complaint as all it was really was a 'compliment'. This was coming from the CEO. She did no more than asked the CEO to stand up, looked him up and down, and said to him "I love those trousers. They really show the shape of your dick". Strangely no more was said as the CEO sat down feeling very uncomfortable.
With attitudes like that at the very top of the workplace what hope is there ?
Yes, the opinion of a woman, as opposed to a man.
How on earth do you think, you know how a woman thinks?
Sad times when a female employee feels it necessary to go to HR about such a remark, in my old fashioned and humble opinion.
Surely, if the 'victim' felt that strongly about it, she could have said so to her male colleague and left it at that.
Hardly the same comparing curves to dicks, I reckon! If the male had said tits or fanny, well, there would be a case to answer.
And gets sacked.Male employee goes to HR and complains that a female colleague is making him feel uncomfortable and embarrassed, because her tight dress is blatantly sexual and unsuitable for the workplace.
How is a poor fellow meant to concentrate on the Laffer curve and figures on his spreadsheet when instead, he is really thinking about said female colleague and images of female curves and bedsheets are coming into his mind?