Cameron to help the Prudent at last a break for the less greedy...

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Notters

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Not entirely sure why I'm bothering to reply to one of your threads, but are you saying that all people who don't save are greedy? What about those of us that can't afford to save???
 


beorhthelm

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:ohmy: a policy. and a sensible one too. at this rate they might become credible.
 


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Not entirely sure why I'm bothering to reply to one of your threads, but are you saying that all people who don't save are greedy? What about those of us that can't afford to save???
No what I mean by the greedy are those who borrow heavily on credit they can't afford Credit Cards, Loans, 2nd Mortgages don't live beyond your means!!! Then come crying when they go bust !!!!
 


bigc

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But if the interest rates are still dirt low, then why will anyone be saving anyway?

Means he won't have to lose much tax income.
 




bigc

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No what I mean by the greedy are those who borrow heavily on credit they can't afford Credit Cards, Loans, 2nd Mortgages don't live beyond your means!!! Then come crying when go bust !!!!

Couldn't agree more but I thought that was generally what capitalism wanted us to do?
 


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Couldn't agree more but I thought that was generally what capitalism wanted us to do?
Not entirely the idea is to pay back what you have borrowed and not go delinquent
 






bigc

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"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination." Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Well I suppose it depends if you define living within your means in a purely fiscal sense...

In a philosophical sense, living within your means could just mean settling for the same atypical routine and not trying anything new, just being content within your own comfort zone.
 


Forster's Armband

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1. Cameron is a bloody tory.....NEVER let him in!

2. I have borrowed over the years to fund my education and better my life. It's not always possible to save and is sometimes hard to keep up with repayments. What annoys me is that people's individual circumstances differ massively and a policy like this is total flannel designed to win votes......Dont fall for it, when or if (unfortunately it is probably a case of when) they get in the rich will get richer......and we all know the next bit!
 


Gully

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...I am interested to see how his policy to suspend the Council Tax for two years would work, I suspect that it might involve vast increases in Income Tax...or just going to a situation where we have no street lighting, bin collections or any of the other services provided by local authorities...I imagine it would be like living in Zimbabwe.
 




DTES

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No what I mean by the greedy are those who borrow heavily on credit they can't afford Credit Cards, Loans, 2nd Mortgages don't live beyond your means!!! Then come crying when they go bust !!!!

You have, quite simply, GOT to be joking. I've just watched Osbourne attempt to defend this policy on Channel 4 News, and his defence was...

"Most people have about £10, £15, £20k in savings, so they will save hundreds of pounds a year".

NONSENSE.

The tory party, yet again, pandering to the rich. Unless you have AT LEAST £10,000 saved for an entire year, you won't even get £8 per month from this policy.

So much for changing their act, and supporting the poorer people in this country. What a joke.

:nono:
 
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Hunting 784561

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"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination." Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Annual income : Twenty pounds - Annual expenditure - nineteen nineteen & six, result = happiness.

Annual income Twenty pounds - Annual expenditure - twenty pounds nought and six, result = misery.

C.Dickens (1812-1870)

:p
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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You have, quite simply, GOT to be joking. I've just watched Osbourne attempt to defend this policy on Channel 4 News, and his defence was...

"Most people have about £10, £15, £20k in savings, so they will save hundreds of pounds a year".

NONSENSE.

The tory party, yet again, pandering to the rich. Unless you have AT LEAST £10,000 saved for an entire year, you won't even get £8 per month from this policy.

So much for changing their act, and supporting the poorer people in this country. What a joke.

:nono:

Osbourne's a complete joke. He stammered and stumbled his way through a defence of that gibberish when he patently didn't believe a word of it himself. Pathetic don't begin to cover it.
 




:ohmy: a policy. and a sensible one too. at this rate they might become credible.

....until they got in, whereupon they'd brush aside all the better policies that got them elected, calling them 'unfeasible'.

That's called politics, by the way. Politicians use to to lie about what they will do, so they can cultivate votes. If Cameron did NOT talk as if he represented a large section of the British public, he wouldn't have a chance of getting in.
 


Gully

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Osbourne's a complete joke. He stammered and stumbled his way through a defence of that gibberish when he patently didn't believe a word of it himself. Pathetic don't begin to cover it.

Do you remember the time when Michael Foot was in charge of the Labour party, they were almost totally unelectable...that is roughly where the Tories are at the moment, people might hate Labour but the alternative is unthinkable.
 


beorhthelm

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2. I have borrowed over the years to fund my education and better my life. It's not always possible to save and is sometimes hard to keep up with repayments. What annoys me is that people's individual circumstances differ massively and a policy like this is total flannel designed to win votes......Dont fall for it, when or if (unfortunately it is probably a case of when) they get in the rich will get richer......and we all know the next bit!

firstly, blimey, politicians try to get votes? secondly, yes everyone situation is different. you are what, 18, 20, 22? ask your parents or better yet your grand parents about interest rates on their savings. assuming you dont piss everything you earn up the wall, one day you too will have savings and be expecting to get an income from them. Though as Bigc points out its a cunning policy 'cause it wont cost much. and socialist note the 40% tax earners will still pay tax on that interest.
 


looney

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Do you remember the time when Michael Foot was in charge of the Labour party, they were almost totally unelectable...that is roughly where the Tories are at the moment, people might hate Labour but the alternative is unthinkable.

Untill you check the opinion polls and you find the reverse is true, that Brown is as electable as Michael foot.
 




DTES

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yes everyone situation is different. you are what, 18, 20, 22? ask your parents or better yet your grand parents about interest rates on their savings. assuming you dont piss everything you earn up the wall, one day you too will have savings and be expecting to get an income from them.

I realise this wasn't aimed at me, but I think I'm well placed to answer it.

I'm 26, so no - I don't have any savings. But neither do my parents. They haven't "pissed everything up the wall" - they're still paying off their mortgage, in their 50s, and although they have a little saved in case of emergencies it is just that - a little.

Some people can afford so have saving running into £000s. Some can't.

We are currently entering into a recession, and people are struggling. Which group does George Osbourne choose to help? The group that can afford to save. Is that really what he should be doing?
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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I realise this wasn't aimed at me, but I think I'm well placed to answer it.

I'm 26, so no - I don't have any savings. But neither do my parents. They haven't "pissed everything up the wall" - they're still paying off their mortgage, in their 50s, and although they have a little saved in case of emergencies it is just that - a little.

Some people can afford so have saving running into £000s. Some can't.

We are currently entering into a recession, and people are struggling. Which group does George Osbourne choose to help? The group that can afford to save. Is that really what he should be doing?

Help the rich and leave the poor to fend for themselves. At last the caring Cameron nonsense is shown as nothing but a thin veneer.
 


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