Cameron the clueless

[Storer 68]

I think it ws GB who flogged the gold off...................................... But it wouldn't make much of an impact on a £2TRILLION national debt[/SIZE]
You can only sell it once and once its gone, it's gone for good.

Jan 2009
The sale of more than half of the country's gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 has proved to be deeply controversial.

Critics say that signalling such a large sale of bullion to gold traders helped to drive the precious metal to a 20-year low.

In 17 auctions, Mr Brown as Chancellor of the Exchequer sanctioned the sale of 395 tonnes of gold.

Figures released by the Treasury show that the total proceeds from the sales was around $3.5billion. According to a Parliamentary answer, if the gold was sold last month, on December 15, it would have raised $10.5billion.

The difference - $7billion - would be worth £4.7billion if the proceeds were converted into pounds yesterday

 

[Durlston]

what is a debt? I buy something ergo I pay for it. If I haven't got it, i save up until i have

Hence why I don't own any credit cards and like to know exactly where I stand with money.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It is illegal to fire someone who has over a years employment on unfair grounds. Hence people are protected. I work for a major employer and have many staff myself. It is VERY difficult to get rid of people after they have proven they are capable by keeping a job for over 12 months.

Not strictly accurate I'm afraid - after 2 years I would agree with you but an employment solicitor I ended up using was very clear in that up to that point it's very easy to get rid of someone unless it's because of some sort of discrimination. Even after 2 years it isn't that difficult to get rid of people if an employer doesn't want them for whatever reason.

 

[drew]

Blimey,some people 'fly off the handle' so very easily...................He is only suggesting everyone tries and gets their own 'houses in order' so to speak!
In future,all those who have been used to easy credit and spend,spend spend are going to have to get used to living within their means.No bad thing.
I do have sympathy for those who have to use credit cards as a necessity,but an awful lot of bods have gorged themselves on credit buying things that they don't really need,maxed out the credit card and wonder why they are in the shit!

What I would like to know is how many of the 125% mortgages actually ending up defaulting. there is nothing wrong with debt provided you are able to service it.

what is a debt? I buy something ergo I pay for it. If I haven't got it, i save up until i have

One assumes you are a tenant then!
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Oh dear! Not the brighest star in the sky.

This has been going on for years before the Tories got in.

Maybe we should thank the tories for selling a large chunk of our gold reserves for rock bottom prices as well. While we're at it, blame them for changing the rules, so that the banks could lend out of control and put us in this shit. What else can we blame them for

Sorry but what rules did the labour government change that allowed the banks to increase their lending?

 

[Billy the Fish]

would that be the spending plans that were backed by the Tory opposition? Would that also be the spending spree that brought the deficit as a percentage of GDP up to 42% which was still less than Blair inherited when he came to power in 1997 (it was 43% then)

Seriously whatever Government we had would have suffered in the same way as a result of the 2007 crash. This is clear given that governments of all hues globally are suffering now.

I agree, it wouldn't have made any difference who was in charge. They are all clueless as far as I'm concerned and only care about short term popularity rather than long term prosperity.

If you read the first part of my post I said that they have no control over the markets and clearly don't understand them, Labour, conservative, lib dem - doesn't matter.

 

[Simster]

Going off topic just slightly, but is there a chance that [MENTION=19176]Storer 68[/MENTION] will one day learn to use the quote facility correctly instead of missing off a "]" and then posting a load of incoherent cut and paste bollocks with no point being made, but which does give you head ache when you try reading it?

 

[Gwylan]

It's accepted wisdom that anything in society/industry that happens today can easily be blamed on decisions taken 20 years ago. Significant academics have written on it. Only they probably blamed Wilson

... or older.Chou En Lai, Chinese leader in 70s, was asked about the effects of the French Revolution and said "It was too early to tell."

Anyone who thinks Thatcher has no influence of events of today is an idiot. Problems in Northern Ireland can be traced back to events of 1688, 30 years is nothing,

 

[DJ Leon]

Oh dear! Not the brighest star in the sky.

This has been going on for years before the Tories got in.

Maybe we should thank the tories for selling a large chunk of our gold reserves for rock bottom prices as well. While we're at it, blame them for changing the rules, so that the banks could lend out of control and put us in this shit. What else can we blame them for

Heh! You insult the intelligence of the poster and then go on to deride him for blaming the Tories for a whole load of things that his post doesn't blame the Tories for.

One of you two looks like a partisan political fanboy with an agenda that trumps the point being made. Clue: it's not Albion Dan.

 

[Hunting 784561]

... or older.Chou En Lai, Chinese leader in 70s, was asked about the effects of the French Revolution and said "It was too early to tell."

Anyone who thinks Thatcher has no influence of events of today is an idiot. Problems in Northern Ireland can be traced back to events of 1688, 30 years is nothing,

or maybe theyre just wooden, lazy, thinkers.

There have been plenty of opportunities to turn back every single reform ever made by Thatcher, if that was what people had really demanded, or wanted.

Anything else is just playing to the grandstand.

 

[bhaexpress]

Cameron's an idiot, tragically Millibrand is even worse.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Cameron's an idiot, tragically Millibrand is even worse.

Don't know anybody of any political persuasion who thinks very much of David Miliband.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Don't know anybody of any political persuasion who thinks very much of David Miliband.

And yet he's the better of the two brothers !

 

[Simster]

Have we ever seen the front benches of all 3 major parties quite so choc full of fuckwitts?

Back onto the CMD bashing, and I see he says we are laying the foundations for a stable economy with all this prudence on his watch...
On an entirely separate matter, how much are wars in Iraq, Afganistan and Libya costing the country?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Have we ever seen the front benches of all 3 major parties quite so choc full of fuckwitts?

Back onto the CMD bashing, and I see he says we are laying the foundations for a stable economy with all this prudence on his watch...

To be fair though, the politicians are all on a hiding to nothing. The world economy has turned to shit and there's not a lot any government in any country can do other than safeguard the credit rating.

Would dearly like to see Gordon Brown brought in in an advisory capacity though. Yada yada about flogging off the gold, he's still one of the genuine heavyweight economic minds of his time, and he shows George Osborne up for the rabbit caught in the headlights that he is. And we ARE all in this together, are we not?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Nope, it's entirely Thatcher's fault.

This , modernisation of the privatised industries should have come from the massive profits the companies generate each year. Too much of the profits get siphoned off to the shareholders and we end up as bill payers getting shafted in paying for the improvements.

 

[Storer 68]

Going off topic just slightly, but is there a chance that [MENTION=19176]Storer 68[/MENTION] will one day learn to use the quote facility correctly instead of missing off a "]" and then posting a load of incoherent cut and paste bollocks with no point being made, but which does give you head ache when you try reading it?

Probably not

 

[Mr Burns]

Heh! You insult the intelligence of the poster and then go on to deride him for blaming the Tories for a whole load of things that his post doesn't blame the Tories for.

One of you two looks like a partisan political fanboy with an agenda that trumps the point being made. Clue: it's not Albion Dan.

Yer, I think you miss the point mate. I took the piss because he was blaming the tories for a rule that has been in place for years. If you blame the tories for that, you may as well blame them for all the other f*** ups Labour made. That was the point Off the three of us, I think you've trumped at looking the biggest prat. And considering he called the tories scum, for a rule brought in years ago, then I would say he looks like a partisan political fanboy.

Not one of your greatest posts DJ leon

 

[Mr Burns]

It is illegal to fire someone who has over a years employment on unfair grounds. Hence people are protected. I work for a major employer and have many staff myself. It is VERY difficult to get rid of people after they have proven they are capable by keeping a job for over 12 months.

Quite frankly the rest of your post is completely irrelavant to my point and the typical Tory fall back position about Gold. How long can that one be trotted out? The Tories have now had 1 1/2 years to improve things and they have got worse. They blame the Euro and Labour (How much longer can that carry on?) despite every economy struggling (Is that Labours fault too?), but under Labour our GDP was growing and now its up the creek.

Fire someone between one and two years,and see how far they get at tribunal.

Most economies struggling I grant you that, but the problem is Labour spent spent spent, in good times, and bad times. At some point you have to pay for what you spend, and Labour never done this. Under tories, the rich get richer and the poor also get richer. Under labour, the rich got richer, and the poor poorer.

I think we ca go on blaming Labour for the mess that is Europe, until we can find some way of getting out of it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Not strictly accurate I'm afraid - after 2 years I would agree with you but an employment solicitor I ended up using was very clear in that up to that point it's very easy to get rid of someone unless it's because of some sort of discrimination. Even after 2 years it isn't that difficult to get rid of people if an employer doesn't want them for whatever reason.

My father is an Employment Tribunal Chairman and (I am sure) would disagree with the above. Two years is neither here nor there. One year of employment is when your rights are protected.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

what is a debt? I buy something ergo I pay for it. If I haven't got it, i save up until i have

Exactly , we have no mortgage or credit cards. If we need to buy something we'll only buy if we've got the money set aside.