Calm down and put things into perspective

[Curious Orange]

 

[Titanic]

Is that our midfield quintet?

 

[Bwian]

As others have said we didn't play particularly poorly, and for the first half hour had a lot more possession than Town, although we looked impotent up front and unlikely to score. There were mistakes for the first three goals, and once FDM went off we had no chance.

Credit should be given too for the excellent counterattacking style of Huddersfield, they had pace, power and width and used it to their advantage.

The fact that the fans didn't turn on the players, even Bomber at left back, and stayed until the 94th minute without skulking off shows that it was a dreadful result, but not a dreadful performance.

So why can't we put together a team playing like that? Rather, why can't we use similar tactics with the players we now have at our disposal? It's not like we're stuck with the players who dumped us into a relegation battle-we've got loads of new ones...who look like they could dump us into a relegation battle.

 

[Napper]

I fully expect the board to be full of negative rubbish in the next few days but lets just put things into perspective.

We have three games. The Walsall defeat is the only one that result wise you could class as disappointing. Had we won that which I think you could argue we were unlucky not to we would have four points from three games and an okay start.

We have drawn away to Brentford, the only team to take any points from them so far.

And yes we got walloped at Huddersfield. but we lost a player and frankly how many teams will get anything at Huddersfield. They must be a very good bet for the top two.

So before you panic, just ask yourself what realistically you expect from a squad that is still being built and still gelling.

Give it a couple of months and I suspect we will be comfortably in mid table.

Unbelievable. Pretty naive mate there

 

[Danny-Boy]

Errrr... Were you there against Brentford? Yes it was an ok result but Brentford played below par... I assure you tat Brighton played BAD football... We were not unlucky I'm any sense. We were lucky brentford were not playing very well either as we would have lost that game to.

From what I have actually SEEN I can say that at least so far Albion are playing awful football ... This is not about 'gelling' I didn't see Man city's 'gelling' team take a beating at the weekend.

It's bad football right now with little hope it will improve drastically.I don't know if it's the manager or the players but this is not good.

As a Bees fan I disagree, I thought the two sides were matched prttty evenly.
I just think there is a weakness in the Albion back four, that you need to correct...FAST.

SCR last night someone made the point that Slade has inherited a coaching set-up through DK, perhaps that needs to be looked at. Most managers like to have their own coaches.

 

[Acker79]

Didn't Russell say after we were over run by Swansea that we are unlikely to come up against a team like that in League One?

Less than a week later, we have!

Well, they're no leeds utd...

 

[portlock seagull]

Why do some people just love to put themselves up above the parapet as this thread starter has? It's utterly ridiculous to try and pretend there were any positives from last night. So it's equally ridiculous to start threads like this which deserve the contempt they get. Very poor judge of the prevailing mood and no amount of rose-tinted specs will hide the fact we were utter gash; and thrashed. No excuses for such a poor performance. NONE. So take your positive bollocks elsewhere. Idiot for starting a thread like this.

 

[Pavilionaire]

There are 2 points that I think are key:

1. People say we need to give the side time to gel - well we started with a defence of Kuipers, Whing, El-Abd, Virgo and Elphick, and that lot have played together FOR 2 YEARS!

That fact, coupled with our abysmal form for 80% of last season, means that players' heads MUST roll.

2. I've liked pretty much all of Russell Slade's summer signings but I was worried when I heard his message to the fans on opening day was "don't expect too much too soon".

I think that you can go too far the other way and I think Slade's 'playing-down' of expectations has given the team an excuse to waste time "getting to know you".

Why shouldn't the fans expect good things? The core of Kuipers, Virgo, Elphick, Whing, Cox, Forster and Murray are still at the club, while 4 of the signings all know each other from Stockport so aren't exactly strangers.

Then there's the supposed quality of Dickinson. He showed last night that if you're a decent striker you don't need weeks to bed in; both Forster and Murray started scoring quickly when they joined the club.

 

[Acker79]

So it's equally ridiculous to start threads like this which deserve the contempt they get. Very poor judge of the prevailing mood

erm... are you saying it's ridiculous to start a thread that doesn't fall in line with prevailing opinion? Ridiculous to offer an alternate point of view?

I wasn't there, didn't hear the radio and only have the argus match report and posts on here to judge it on. By all accounts (including yours) we played bad. But that doesn't mean there are no positives whatsoever. It doesn't mean it's ridiculous to look for positives.

To say "Dickinson scored - that's a positive" given how for the last week or two we've been saying 'Dickinson needs to score one then he'll get his confidence and start banging them in. Yes, we lost 7-1, saying it's positive LD scored doesn't change this, it doesn't make the performance any better.

There can be positives even in the most dire situations and there's nothing ridiculous in looking for them.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Terrible, terrible result.

The last time we lost similarly heavily was in the 90/91 season I think when we got tonked 6-1 at oldham. If I remember correctly we also got spanked 4-0 at home to sheffield wednesday that season. And we still managed to end up only 90minutes away from the old first division...

Norwich have also lost 7-1 this season. Wonder if they're doomed to relegation.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

I fully expect the board to be full of negative rubbish in the next few days but lets just put things into perspective.

We have three games. The Walsall defeat is the only one that result wise you could class as disappointing. Had we won that which I think you could argue we were unlucky not to we would have four points from three games and an okay start.

We have drawn away to Brentford, the only team to take any points from them so far.

And yes we got walloped at Huddersfield. but we lost a player and frankly how many teams will get anything at Huddersfield. They must be a very good bet for the top two.

So before you panic, just ask yourself what realistically you expect from a squad that is still being built and still gelling.

Give it a couple of months and I suspect we will be comfortably in mid table.

Wise words from the long-necked one, there. Pay attention people

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[eastlondonseagull]

Why do some people just love to put themselves up above the parapet as this thread starter has? It's utterly ridiculous to try and pretend there were any positives from last night. So it's equally ridiculous to start threads like this which deserve the contempt they get. Very poor judge of the prevailing mood and no amount of rose-tinted specs will hide the fact we were utter gash; and thrashed. No excuses for such a poor performance. NONE. So take your positive bollocks elsewhere. Idiot for starting a thread like this.

Portlock, you really are a miserable old bugger, aren't you? The harbinger of doom, the dark cloud that never blows away, the winkle that shrivels up and drops off.

Grow some back-bone, man



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[pork pie]

I fully expect the board to be full of negative rubbish in the next few days but lets just put things into perspective.

We have three games. The Walsall defeat is the only one that result wise you could class as disappointing. Had we won that which I think you could argue we were unlucky not to we would have four points from three games and an okay start.

We have drawn away to Brentford, the only team to take any points from them so far.

And yes we got walloped at Huddersfield. but we lost a player and frankly how many teams will get anything at Huddersfield. They must be a very good bet for the top two.

So before you panic, just ask yourself what realistically you expect from a squad that is still being built and still gelling.

Give it a couple of months and I suspect we will be comfortably in mid table.

Let me help you put things into perspective. We have played 4 competitive games, scored one goal and conceaded 11 goals, and had a poor pre-season. Scoring goals has been very difficult.

After last year, and seeing the back of Tight, fans are/were hoping to see things progress this season. Something is obvously not right at the Club. I am still hoping that RS gets things right, but am wondering if he is being given the financial support he needs to get the right players and back-room staff?

It is a bit odd that after Dicker's performances last year, and subsequent signing, that he is not actually playing, and what look to be average squad players are getting a start. Playing one up top, with bloody Cox as support - why? On his day he can be ok, but that is not often! We need a small, fast and skillfull goalscoring striker, and a good quality midfield playmaker if we intend to try for promotion - sorry Mr Bloom, but that will cost you some money. We made do with freeby scraps for too long under Tight.

 

[Acker79]

The last time we lost similarly heavily was in the 90/91 season I think when we got tonked 6-1 at oldham.

That was my first ever away game, a birthday treat from my brother.

 

[portlock seagull]

Portlock, you really are a miserable old bugger, aren't you? The harbinger of doom, the dark cloud that never blows away, the winkle that shrivels up and drops off.

Grow some back-bone, man



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Yes, but those of us who are deemed to be miserable in the wake of the worst result for 35 years (did you lot miss something, we lost 7-1 FFS!) should be allowed more than a jocking minute after the final whistle to vent our frustration without being labelled "harbringers of doom etc!" We're not unreasonable in that respect. From my grey-lined glasses, that at least change colour rather than stay mono-pink , there's a degree of naivety and culture of acceptance re: our performance amongst many supporters. My point was simply that on the back of such an infamous result, it's not the brightest/wisest thing to do starting such a thread as this because it implies (intended or otherwise) that it's ok to lose 7-1.
Now f*** off and let me be grumpy with my team for another 24hrs. We'll all be back supporting the team on Saturday and manager (albeit via the radio for me as I'm watching U2); but 7-1 defeats are not to be brushed off like any other defeat. Serious questions need to be asked, and if you can't ask them after a 7-1 defeat, when can you?

 

[portlock seagull]

erm... are you saying it's ridiculous to start a thread that doesn't fall in line with prevailing opinion? Ridiculous to offer an alternate point of view?

I wasn't there, didn't hear the radio and only have the argus match report and posts on here to judge it on. By all accounts (including yours) we played bad. But that doesn't mean there are no positives whatsoever. It doesn't mean it's ridiculous to look for positives.

To say "Dickinson scored - that's a positive" given how for the last week or two we've been saying 'Dickinson needs to score one then he'll get his confidence and start banging them in. Yes, we lost 7-1, saying it's positive LD scored doesn't change this, it doesn't make the performance any better.

There can be positives even in the most dire situations and there's nothing ridiculous in looking for them.

Some people's points of view are worth more than others, and like a good joke, it's all about timing. After all, some people thought Hitler was a nice man. But the prevailing mood was slightly different I believe?

 

[Brovion]

Yes, but those of us who are deemed to be miserable in the wake of the worst result for 35 years (did you lot miss something, we lost 7-1 FFS!) should be allowed more than a jocking minute after the final whistle to vent our frustration without being labelled "harbringers of doom etc!" We're not unreasonable in that respect. From my grey-lined glasses, that at least change colour rather than stay mono-pink , there's a degree of naivety and culture of acceptance re: our performance amongst many supporters. My point was simply that on the back of such an infamous result, it's not the brightest/wisest thing to do starting such a thread as this because it implies (intended or otherwise) that it's ok to lose 7-1.
Now f*** off and let me be grumpy with my team for another 24hrs. We'll all be back supporting the team on Saturday and manager (albeit via the radio for me as I'm watching U2); but 7-1 defeats are not to be brushed off like any other defeat. Serious questions need to be asked, and if you can't ask them after a 7-1 defeat, when can you?

I don't disagree, but don't you think there could be an element of freak result in the scoreline? (A 'bad day at the office' as I said on another thread). At least he now knows what doesn't work - although I bet he regrets casting away the winning midfield from the end of last season. But it is still only August! Bill Shankly said he never even looked at the table until 10 games were played.

I accept that five or six more bad defeats on the bounce will probably end Slade's tenure, but I'm going to say 'freak result' for now.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Yes, but those of us who are deemed to be miserable in the wake of the worst result for 35 years (did you lot miss something, we lost 7-1 FFS!) should be allowed more than a jocking minute after the final whistle to vent our frustration without being labelled "harbringers of doom etc!" We're not unreasonable in that respect. From my grey-lined glasses, that at least change colour rather than stay mono-pink , there's a degree of naivety and culture of acceptance re: our performance amongst many supporters. My point was simply that on the back of such an infamous result, it's not the brightest/wisest thing to do starting such a thread as this because it implies (intended or otherwise) that it's ok to lose 7-1.
Now f*** off and let me be grumpy with my team for another 24hrs. We'll all be back supporting the team on Saturday and manager (albeit via the radio for me as I'm watching U2); but 7-1 defeats are not to be brushed off like any other defeat. Serious questions need to be asked, and if you can't ask them after a 7-1 defeat, when can you?

Aren't you the same person who had us written off after MK Dons and took great pleasure in slagging off anyone who said we had hope still?

Also, I would like to know how many of the people on this thread who have given up on us were actually at the game last night. We matched them for the first 40 minutes and then the sending off changed the game. Even then we were in the game until they scored their fourth and then we fell apart.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

The problem is we're not creating enough chances, Walsall and Brentford away proved this point. We're playing one upfront in Dickinson and for me he doesn't like playing on his own, he needs someone else up there with him. Maybe Fozzie or even Davies, why in the hell is Coxy playing behind Dickinson, when has Coxy ever been a attacking midfielder? He hasn't got the height to win the ball in the air, he needs to be out wide running at wing backs, not stuck in the middle. The defence seems shaky with FDM in goal and now he banned for three games, it time for Smith to step up and show what he has got and keep in between the sticks. Now for last night disaster, 7-1 is a disgrace we haven't brought in ten players this season to get thrashed like that. Yes Huddersfield are a very good side, but we shouldn't be getting turned over. El-Abd at left back my god my mum can play better at left-back then El-Bad. Bloom was most probably there last night and he won't accept this start or even that scoreline, if we don't improve sharpish then expect heads to roll.....

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Take heart me beauties, it wasn't all that bad.
Just got back from the game and it all turned on the Michel sending off.
Up to that point we were actually quite impressive in midfield and defence easily matching them. The difference was the strike force.
Once we had gone 3-1 down at half time it was basically all over with 10 men against this mob.
I will quite happily put my money on them destroying this league.
Unfortunately we still chased the game even at 3 and 4 down and the reamining goals were easy.

We won't encounter this good a team for a while yet.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Any team can have a horror night and get thrashed in a single game. The teams that go down are the ones who lose consistently over the course of a season.

It is August, for crying out loud. I would rather lose a couple now and hit form when it matters than thrash everyone out of sight in the first few weeks and drop like a stone just as the play-offs beckon.

Funny how the most vociferous critics of last night are by and large the fans who weren't actually at the game.