[Albion] BRUNO please read

[AmexRuislip]

Bruno Saltor: Albion legend. From what one hears, a thoroughly decent chap to boot. However, chose to join Potter’s greedy, doomed from the outset journey to the King’s Road. Would you forgive and welcome him back to our coaching staff or banish him from Brighton and Hove?

This has been and done

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Neil Smillies apology for mentioning Palarse.

 

[TugWilson]

He wasn’t forced out, he just didn’t get the salary he thought he deserved when we got promoted

And he was right , he was the reason we got promoted , but i have heard we really just didn`t have the money - i`m sure we have someone on here who has an inside view .

 

[Springal]

And he was right , he was the reason we got promoted , but i have heard we really just didn`t have the money - i`m sure we have someone on here who has an inside view .

The way we built the budget for that season was a ‘transfer fee’ pot and a ‘wages pot’ that for some reason was not inter transferable. If it had of been and Poyet really wanted to keep him they could have made it work

 

[TugWilson]

The way we built the budget for that season was a ‘transfer fee’ pot and a ‘wages pot’ that for some reason was not inter transferable. If it had of been and Poyet really wanted to keep him they could have made it work

I had been told Glenn bent over backwards to stay with us but , he is not stupid and knew he was worth a fair deal , again i was told Poyet was stubborn and wouldn`t sanction it . Poyet supposedly didn`t like the fact that Glenn had the nerve to ask for more , when he clearly was worth it , i believe this as it wouldn`t be the first or last time Poyet cut his nose off to spite his face .

 

[TugWilson]

This. This. This. This... is utter nonsense though. What did Bruno actually do wrong? He got a great offer to take a career step up, which at the very least on a salary level would have been very tempting. He had no guarantees of a role under the new boss. He left, did the whole social media love in with the club, wished everyone well and thanked the club for everything.

Other than not leaving, what should he have done differently to get Brian Fantana on side?

@Brian Fantana can speak for himself but for me , pushing OUR players about at his return to OUR ground did it , that is disrespectful on every level and indefensible .

If a man can turn from training with these lads and laughing and joking as mates , to pushing them about to defend his shiny new month old buddies then he can do one .

 

[TugWilson]

Which proves my Bruno point even further. Micky Adams left us to be the assistant at Leicester and was welcomed back. He literally took the first opportunity that gave him more money and a bigger club (not that I blame him for doing so, by the way) and was welcomed back with open arms.

So why are people so sensitive about Bruno doing the same thing?

Read the previous 200+ posts

 

[jackalbion]

Well I am pretty sure I read on here that someone posted over the last few days, that they had heard Bruno is regretting his decision to leave.
I wonder if there is any truth in that, will the door be open to him I wonder.

Time is a great healer, we all make mistakes, I would welcome him back with a bit of banter, no malice towards the legend.

How do you feel now ?
Is there any truth in this ?
would you welcome him back ?

I’d welcome him back, he’s got Brighton at heart, I get why he left to an extent, but he’d have to never do it again.

 

[timbha]

I’d welcome him back, he’s got Brighton at heart, I get why he left to an extent, but he’d have to never do it again.

I disagree with (nearly) every word of that

 

[TugWilson]

All these pages based on one random poster saying it though… Although it’s very plausible, it’s also a very obvious rumour for someone to start no - 2+2=…

Oh shit now were getting homework

 

[jackalbion]

I disagree with (nearly) every word of that

I’d take it the word is “to” that you don’t disagree with. He can come back, there’s plenty of jobs to host in the 1901 club.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’d take it the word is “to” that you don’t disagree with. He can come back, there’s plenty of jobs to host in the 1901 club.

There are full time jobs in Albion in the Community, but they wouldn’t aid his ambition to be a manager/coach.

 

[Brian Fantana]

@Brian Fantana can speak for himself but for me , pushing OUR players about at his return to OUR ground did it , that is disrespectful on every level and indefensible .

If a man can turn from training with these lads and laughing and joking as mates , to pushing them about to defend his shiny new month old buddies then he can do one .

Correct.

For me, it is multi-layered.

I don't begrudge him leaving AT ALL. We all know that the vast, vast majority of players/staff are going to leave the club at some point. However, it is all about circumstances and timing, IMO at least.

GP and his gang left us fully in the lurch when they departed - there's no argument there. The fact that we've bounced back, and arguably improved since, doesn't come into it. The fact is that the whole lot of them, Bruno included, departed without a second thought as soon as a 'better' offer came along. Considering the lean patches that GP and his coaching staff went through numerous times during his tenure (which would have resulted in the sack several times were TB the same as virtually every other PL owner), makes that they were SO eager to go a massively disappointing turn of events. When you add in the literal tears that Bruno shed upon his retirement, the way the club offered him a fairly prestigious route into a coaching career and supported him extensively with his development, it sticks even more in my throat.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

With Potter earning a reported £12m a season, anyone know what kind of salary Bruno and co are commanding as coaches?

Wondered if the 6 fold in salary approach would be consistent at their level, probably not but treble maybe?

 

[JBizzle]

Correct.

For me, it is multi-layered.

I don't begrudge him leaving AT ALL. We all know that the vast, vast majority of players/staff are going to leave the club at some point. However, it is all about circumstances and timing, IMO at least.

GP and his gang left us fully in the lurch when they departed - there's no argument there. The fact that we've bounced back, and arguably improved since, doesn't come into it. The fact is that the whole lot of them, Bruno included, departed without a second thought as soon as a 'better' offer came along. Considering the lean patches that GP and his coaching staff went through numerous times during his tenure (which would have resulted in the sack several times were TB the same as virtually every other PL owner), makes that they were SO eager to go a massively disappointing turn of events. When you add in the literal tears that Bruno shed upon his retirement, the way the club offered him a fairly prestigious route into a coaching career and supported him extensively with his development, it sticks even more in my throat.

Fair enough and, to be honest, I don't disagree with a lot of what you say there. I guess my issue is (and it's more or a wider piece than just Bruno) the levels of almost hatred towards them.

With talk of a better offer, Potter was alleged to have declined the Spurs role and declined other conversations too (Villa), and that's just the one's we know about. Painting Bruno as simply a mercenary who dropped us at the first sniff of cash is also unfair. Now, for Potter, I do think there's truth in it to a degree. He's hyper ambitious. He left Ostersunds once his star had risen far enough to get the Swansea job, which he then in turn left after just one year when we took him and the bulk of his coaching team to Brighton. Who knows if Potter would have taken Bruno with him to Spurs etc, but this offer at Chelsea was Potter's doing, not Bruno but I do think Bruno has a loyalty to Potter.

On the coaching piece at the Albion, let's not forget that Bruno earned the right to get that opportunity with us as a coach. He was a top player for us for 7 years and a good coach for a further 3. The route to coaching wasn't a benevolent gift, it was a smart move that benefited us as a club too. Bruno got that job because we saw value in his as a commodity as well as out of loyalty for his service.

Also, who was first team coach when Bruno moved into coaching? Graham Potter.

I also think that (and correct me if I'm wrong here), part of it is because it's Chelsea and we all know that they're scum generally. No one had an issue when Liam Rosenior, who was a great servant to the club and was given his chance to coach here under Hughton, left to be assistant manager at Derby. I think there's a romanticism around football that we like people who work their way up, so Rosenior stepping down to join Derby is OK because it wasn't a mega-money deal, but Bruno getting a massive pay rise to go to a nasty club like Chelsea isn't OK.

Anyway, this is a far longer response than I was expecting to type out on a Friday morning. Long story short, I respect your view and your right to hold it, but I also disagree with elements of it

 

[HastingsSeagull]

Shameful to abuse him and death threats obviously insane. Doesn’t seem like the type to over-react either so sad that likely happening.

Shame he couldn’t have been given an important role (and taken it) lower down in age groups if what we read over and over is correct about the lack of a guarantee. I suspect money and glamour talked but his business not our’s.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

We don't know that there have been death threats. So let's not over over text at this stage.

But if he is getting abuse, that's a shame and totally unwarranted. Still a legend in my eyes.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

People move for ambition, greed or location. I think Bruno moved for ambition and I won’t hold that against him. Who knows where his head is now in the middle of the crap that is Chelsea. It wouldn’t surprise me if he missed what he had here. I would welcome him back. The same can’t be said of the rest of them.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I had been told Glenn bent over backwards to stay with us but , he is not stupid and knew he was worth a fair deal , again i was told Poyet was stubborn and wouldn`t sanction it . Poyet supposedly didn`t like the fact that Glenn had the nerve to ask for more , when he clearly was worth it , i believe this as it wouldn`t be the first or last time Poyet cut his nose off to spite his face .

I seem to recall some interview with Bloom(?) where the two pots theory was dismissed as a Poyet elaboration.
The issue was purely the limitation of the overall budget. Poyet wanted CMS and was happy to give up Glenn to get him.

I may have misremembered this (and it may be bolleaux)

 

[willalbion]

I seem to recall some interview with Bloom(?) where the two pots theory was dismissed as a Poyet elaboration.
The issue was purely the limitation of the overall budget. Poyet wanted CMS and was happy to give up Glenn to get him.

I may have misremembered this (and it may be bolleaux)

Sounds the most likely

 

[jackalbion]

Fair enough and, to be honest, I don't disagree with a lot of what you say there. I guess my issue is (and it's more or a wider piece than just Bruno) the levels of almost hatred towards them.

With talk of a better offer, Potter was alleged to have declined the Spurs role and declined other conversations too (Villa), and that's just the one's we know about. Painting Bruno as simply a mercenary who dropped us at the first sniff of cash is also unfair. Now, for Potter, I do think there's truth in it to a degree. He's hyper ambitious. He left Ostersunds once his star had risen far enough to get the Swansea job, which he then in turn left after just one year when we took him and the bulk of his coaching team to Brighton. Who knows if Potter would have taken Bruno with him to Spurs etc, but this offer at Chelsea was Potter's doing, not Bruno but I do think Bruno has a loyalty to Potter.

On the coaching piece at the Albion, let's not forget that Bruno earned the right to get that opportunity with us as a coach. He was a top player for us for 7 years and a good coach for a further 3. The route to coaching wasn't a benevolent gift, it was a smart move that benefited us as a club too. Bruno got that job because we saw value in his as a commodity as well as out of loyalty for his service.

Also, who was first team coach when Bruno moved into coaching? Graham Potter.

I also think that (and correct me if I'm wrong here), part of it is because it's Chelsea and we all know that they're scum generally. No one had an issue when Liam Rosenior, who was a great servant to the club and was given his chance to coach here under Hughton, left to be assistant manager at Derby. I think there's a romanticism around football that we like people who work their way up, so Rosenior stepping down to join Derby is OK because it wasn't a mega-money deal, but Bruno getting a massive pay rise to go to a nasty club like Chelsea isn't OK.

Anyway, this is a far longer response than I was expecting to type out on a Friday morning. Long story short, I respect your view and your right to hold it, but I also disagree with elements of it

Maybe its just me, but Rosenior had a step up in role from U23s coach to an assistant manager which I can't begrudge, where as Bruno just took the exact same role, not furthering his career. Much like when Nathan went from Assistant to Luton Manager, where as I (and most I seem to remember) were pretty bitter about Calderwood moving to Villa in the same division, not furthering his career.