British man killed by Bull

[Hotchilidog]

Like I said, I'd derive no personal enjoyment from watching an animal get killed. Thats why I never have, and never will, go to a bullfight.

But my point is, I can't very well sit here and condemn those who enjoy watching bullfighting when I am a consumer of animal meat. A bull bred for a bullring is bred for a purpose, as is one bred for a burger. One of those will live longer, and have abetter life than the other, and yet we are so very quick to condemn the culture of that, whilst at the same time stuffing our faces with the meat of a beast that has lived probably less than half the life of the other and not been treated anywhere near as well.

Do you not agree with that point ?

I can agree with that from your perspective I suppose. As you may have gathered I have not eaten a cow for quite a long time, so I have a different view.

From my perspective I find the thought of going to watch an animal get killed for my entertainment pretty sick, distressing and utterly indefensible.

 

[Mellotron]

No it isn't. You've acknowledged that there is art in the death of bullfighting which is there isn't in the death of the abbatoir. Which has been my point all along: and that's the reason people go, not for a simple bloodlust, which is what often gets portrayed and which is what you seem to think. I respect your view and it's widely held but I really don't think that's true.

And I'm not saying people who object to it have no point, because I don't think that either, especially so if they're vegetarians. And it IS brutal. But for a carnivore to say "it's awful and they go only to cheer on a gory cruel death" whilst eating the bloody flesh of an animal that had a shit life compared to a fighting bulls is, erm, complete bullocks IMHO.

OK simple question; if it is not AT ALL about the death of the bull, and if there is NO enjoyment derived from such, why kill the bull? Pointless.

I'm not for a second saying everyone goes SPECIFICALLY to cheer on the death, but it must be pretty hard to "get into the spirit of things" without enjoying the kill.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I have not eaten a cow for quite a long time

Mind if I ask a question?

"Hotchilidog" ... is that a name that glorifies spicy pork sausages in bread? Or are you a fan of Korean cuisine?

 

[Man of Harveys]

OK simple question; if it is not AT ALL about the death of the bull, and if there is NO enjoyment derived from such, why kill the bull? Pointless.

I'm not for a second saying everyone goes SPECIFICALLY to cheer on the death, but it must be pretty hard to "get into the spirit of things" without enjoying the kill.

They do have bullfighting where they don't kill the bull at the end, in Portugal and France I believe. The Catalans, who have never really been that into it anyway, have talked about doing the same.

The "spirit of things" for people to get into consists of observing how well the sequinned strutting little fella does his thing - that's it. (GOT to do some work - very interesting chat and very far from a summer binfest.)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

- very interesting chat and very far from a summer binfest.

You've done well, Señor Picador. Now it's time for the Matador to move in for the kill.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Mind if I ask a question?

"Hotchilidog" ... is that a name that glorifies spicy pork sausages in bread? Or are you a fan of Korean cuisine?

Tis a rather ironic user name i'll admit given my diet, I am definitely a fan of 'green' cuisine.

 

[Commander]

Give me an example of killing for fun that is OK.

I just BATTERED a wasp that was buzzing around my head for the last five minutes. I enjoyed watching that die. Very much so. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK?

 

[Kukev31]

You are right regarding the comparable qualities of life there. Of course you are.

I think still the people anti-bullfighting are trying to say simply that it's wrong to enjoy a killing. If you go to a bullfight, you kinda have to. That's what's being condemned.

If you eat and enjoy a burger aren't you enjoying the killing of an animal. All be it not the actual killing, but it is still thanks to the killing that you would be enjoying the taste of your burger.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Anyone who thinks that a crowd go to a bullfight because they enjoy the killing understands NOTHING about bullfighting.

There's nothing noble about sicking a load of Swords in a Bull and watching it die and slow and agonising death infront of a baying crowd Ed, nothing at all.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If the audience at bullfights went along merely to "get off" on seeing an animal being killed, then surely those people would just go to an abbatoir and see it happen dozens of times over and again in quick succesion, right before there eyes ?

Rightly or wrongly, there is an artistry, drama and a spectacle involved in bullfighting. A matador is recognised and admired for his skill and bravery, and the manner in which he dispatches the bull.

Now its not my bag at all, as I've said, I wouldn't want to watch it. But that doesn't mean I can sit here and blithely brand all those who enjoy going to watch bullfighting a a bunch of sickos who just want to see an animal killed. Perhaps there is a small proportion of "gore tourists" who just want to see a bull slaughtered, but I think the majority are there to appreciate the spectacle and the matador ni an artistic sense.

Easy

Its not exactly a fair fight is it ?.

Bull - rampaging in frustration deliberately driven mad by a red cape
Matador - a large red cape and several rather large knives

 

[The Merry Prankster]

There's nothing noble about sicking a load of Swords in a Bull and watching it die and slow and agonising death infront of a baying crowd Ed, nothing at all.

If the bull has died a slow and agonising death. The crowd will not be baying, they will be subjecting the matador to the most humiliating silence you have ever heard.

 

[ali jenkins]

I just don't get why anyone would POSSIBLY want to "run with the bulls." What on earth are you getting out of that?

its supposed to be one of the biggest adrenaline rushes you can get.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If the bull has died a slow and agonising death. The crowd will not be baying, they will be subjecting the matador to the most humiliating silence you have ever heard.

Are you saying the whole spectacle is watched in silence ?.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The kill for the burgers is done in a humane way. Is the kill in a Bullfight humane ?. I rather think not.

 

[Kukev31]

Adjective:humane (comparative more humane, superlative most humane)


With regard for the health and well-being of another; compassionate.

I would question whether there is any way to humanely kill an animal.

 

[csider]

couple of friends ran with the bulls few years back, said it was amazing, although would not do it again in a hurry

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

couple of friends ran with the bulls few years back, said it was amazing, although would not do it again in a hurry

the Bradford bulls

 

[Tomo1794]

I just don't get why anyone would POSSIBLY want to "run with the bulls." What on earth are you getting out of that?

The same thrill as driving a Lamborghini

 

[csider]

Aint the run, but this is Family fun ? My Arse it is !

Just how I remember it............Top entertainment...

 

[csider]

Das

very funny............you iz quick innit!