So England were not "proper poor" against the team which also failed to go through and against a team which had nothing to do but save energy for the knock-out stage. Just poor then?
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Britain and our place in world football
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So England were not "proper poor" against the team which also failed to go through and against a team which had nothing to do but save energy for the knock-out stage. Just poor then?
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Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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Whilst I agree hat we're currently not good enough and it is a real shame that none/very few of our players play abroad, I'm not sure I agree with your dark ages comment. What exactly do you mean?
Wrong-Direction
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We nearly did it we nearly did it blabla! The point is we didn't, which means we weren't good enough!
Brighton Mod
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The emerging footballing nation from this World Cup is the USA. Beckham invests in a new club in the MLS, Klinsman on board for the national team, a sport open to hispnaic, latino's and Polish in the US will draw many good players eager to play. The MLS will grow and gradually wil start to draw players from the Premiership, its already started. Never mind we have Greg Dyle at the helm 
Its gone from us and is slipping further away as time passes. Just think how dependant football is on Sky money. If thatmoney is drawn state side how many clubs would crumble over here. At Tony is preparing for the future in the correct manner, all will be well at the Amex!!!
Its gone from us and is slipping further away as time passes. Just think how dependant football is on Sky money. If thatmoney is drawn state side how many clubs would crumble over here. At Tony is preparing for the future in the correct manner, all will be well at the Amex!!!
Great feature on that subject: https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...ting-worst-sports-town-america-182639160.html
The emerging footballing nation from this World Cup is the USA. Beckham invests in a new club in the MLS, Klinsman on board for the national team, a sport open to hispnaic, latino's and Polish in the US will draw many good players eager to play. The MLS will grow and gradually wil start to draw players from the Premiership, its already started. Never mind we have Greg Dyle at the helm
You think! In the 70s loads of players went to the states to end their careers because of the money but the league folded. This time, it still seems the only players going there are either at the end of their careers here or not good enough to play at the top level here. There is still little money in stateside soccer. You only have to look at the earnings of those players that make up the numbers. Yes, people like Beckham and Henry earned a fortune but that meant far less money for the rest of the squad.
Football in the US is in a far healthier state of affairs than it was in the 70s, granted, but it will be a long long time before players at the start of their career in the top flite opt to go to the US rather Liverpool, Manchester City, and probably a host of premier clubs.
England has the greatest league (full historic stadiums, many large historical clubs, massive product sold worldwide, massive wages, country mad for the game / deep in the blood / physical blood and guts type of league).
England invented the game.
So in world football, England is looking better than nearly everyone.
Most football fans probably around the world know that the England players have "already made it" e.g large contracts and salaries - so the hunger has gone........hence why smaller nations with players who can transform a whole village / area / family - really do have something to play for.
England invented the game.
So in world football, England is looking better than nearly everyone.
Most football fans probably around the world know that the England players have "already made it" e.g large contracts and salaries - so the hunger has gone........hence why smaller nations with players who can transform a whole village / area / family - really do have something to play for.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Anyone over the age of 10 on this forum is highly unlikely to see England reach a final never mind win a major tournament.
Face it fellow NSCers, you're going to DIE before seeing our national side compete again. And if you're Scottish, you incarnation will also die before you qualify again.
Face it fellow NSCers, you're going to DIE before seeing our national side compete again. And if you're Scottish, you incarnation will also die before you qualify again.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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So 10 and unders WILL see England in a final? Progress!
Pondicherry
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We (the FA and England management) need to develop a system and style of our own that we can impose on other teams and choose motivated, athletic, intelligent and reasonably skill full players to implement it. Note that this will probably exclude most of the players from the top premiership clubs because they are not motivated and most are pretty thick. There is no chance of this happening.
http://www.espnfc.com/team/england/...-have-always-failed-in-international-football
Great piece from Nick Hornby.
Outside of England, we've only ever won FIVE World Cup knockout matches...
Great piece from Nick Hornby.
Outside of England, we've only ever won FIVE World Cup knockout matches...
portlock seagull
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If they manage to in the short window before humanity is wiped out by the giant asteroid, yes, perhaps.
Pavilionaire
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Do you honestly believe that any of those you've named are any more talented that their equivalents of 30-odd years ago? Chris Waddle at the same age is far better than Adam Lallana is now, ditto John Barnes better than Sterling. Oxlade-Chamberlain is not a million miles from Tony Daley (who turned out to be shite). Even go back 10-15 years - Joe Cole was a better, more consistent player than Wilshere, Rooney had more impact than Barkley, Ian Wright no worse than Sturridge.
I really believe our current young crop are nothing special when compared with the young emerging players of 10, 20 or 30 years ago. In fact, I'd go as so far as to say they are a fairly mediocre bunch, not a patch on the crop that emerged in the late 90s to threaten in 2002/04, or those that emerged in the late 80s to peak at Italia 90.
Pavilionaire
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When was the last time you saw an England player really out on their feet, someone who has given every ounce for the cause, body on the line etc? Those USA players last night ran themselves into the ground, as did the Algerians vs. Germany and the Greeks vs. Costa Rica.
I wouldn't say England players don't try but I get the distinct impression that - to a man - there's still quite of bit of gas left in the tank at full-time. It's almost as if they don't want to wear themselves out too much in case they get injured and miss pre-season with their Prem clubs. Where are the lung-bursting runs, the last-ditch tackles? Other than our sweeping goal against Italy there's really not much good stuff to remember about our last 2 World Cup campaigns.
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Spot on I'm afraid. Just because they're "young and exciting", doesn't mean they're any better than young and exciting in other countries, and as you correctly point out, they're no better than their equivalents from any point in the past 2 or 3 decades. They are, however, massively overrated in comparison, owing to the ridiculous fees being shelled out. Adam Lallana for £25m? What has he ever DONE to command that?
Pavilionaire
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Ditto Luke Shaw for £27 million. Does he get up and down like Bale, has he got a shot on him Riise, or a free-kick like Baines? Has he got the energy of a Roberto Carlos? I'm not saying he's a bad player but I've not noticed any world-class attributes that mark him out as a special player either. Can you imagine what Stuart Pearce would have gone for in today's market??
Guy Crouchback
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Another good example is Russia: every single player in their World Cup squad plays in Russian Premier League and the effect is similar. That's what happens when you have a strong league with immensely overpaid players stewing happily in their own juice.
Brilliant article. I hope Mellotron has read it.
Brighton Mod
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Well, I'm not talking next year, but once the US viewers get football and its happening the Sky money, which confirms the high wages will drift to the Us or at least reduce that available in this country. The game in this country is buoyed by the ego's of those who place their vast fortune at the disposal of those who once played or have been associated with it. remove the people behind just a few a clubs, Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester Utd and even some lesser lights and football does not stand up on its own. FFP has recognised this although has implemented incorrectly and will punish those in the middle and at the bottom, not those at the top. There will be a drift to the US and they will have their own home grown players who can advance without going through the collegiate system which will appeal to later developers and those from a less fortunate background. Once the viewing ratings are up in the US we will see what happens.