[Albion] Brighton & Hove Albion vs Fulham *** Official Match Thread ***

[PILTDOWN MAN]

He can only book a player if he is certain they are feigning injury and today I doubt there was one case where he could definitely say that.

Bollocks two jumped up without having any treatment. The head injury one was worse. Total cheating.

 

[Easy 10]

Time for a sub-buggy.

If a player stays down "needing treatment", the sub-buggy drives onto the pitch carrying the physios, along with a player who is going to temporarily replace him. The stricken player is scooped up onto a stretcher, and carted off for treatment. The temp sub then immediately takes his place for a standard minimum 5 minutes, or before the cripple finally feels up to hobbling back onto the pitch (if at all).

Lets see how many face-clutchers stay down waiting for treatment with that protocol in practice.

 

[drew]

Bollocks two jumped up without having any treatment. The head injury one was worse. Total cheating.

Didn't they all get up without treatment apart from one? We are all pretty sure they are milking the system but the ref has to be sure before he can book someone. Simple solution is for him to get the trainer on every time.

 

[Bodian]

Time for a sub-buggy.

If a player stays down "needing treatment", the sub-buggy drives onto the pitch carrying the physios, along with a player who is going to temporarily replace him. The stricken player is scooped up onto a stretcher, and carted off for treatment. The temp sub then immediately takes his place for a standard minimum 5 minutes, or before the cripple finally feels up to hobbling back onto the pitch (if at all).

Lets see how many face-clutchers stay down waiting for treatment with that protocol in practice.

I was thinking more along the lines of Molly Malone - run on, dump the player in a wheelbarrow, and wheel them off pronto.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Even Mr Elbow got fed up with his own player

 

[Weststander]

I was thinking more along the lines of Molly Malone - run on, dump the player in a wheelbarrow, and wheel them off pronto.

One of my favourite youtube clips.

 

[OzMike]

I just woke up to find 1 more point in the bag !
I read the commentary on Sporting Life and it seems like we were the better side and Fulams goal came from nowhere.
I will watch replay after work.

 

[Dick Head]

Wrong Dear Friend, were drew

i new weird drawer

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Players down in the area ball hits physio goes in what happens?

Never will work simple as that.

Same rules as if it hits the ref?

 

[BrightonCottager]

This.

I agree, too.

 

[sydney]

Just tested positive for COVID

ye wah..??

 

[Acker79]

I'm struggling to remember these 12 shots on target in our game. No problem remember the wild hacks that flew out for goal kicks (by both teams).

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I'm struggling to remember these 12 shots on target in our game. No problem remember the wild hacks that flew out for goal kicks (by both teams).

Off the top of my head:

Fergie's goal
Webster's header cleared off the line
Fati's shot into the keeper
Baleba shot saved
Adingra's follow-up after Baleba's shot
Mitoma(?) shot saved in first half
And another one

Fulham
Goal
Save from Steele from long shot
Save from Steele from close shot
Some other one where it came tamely back to him

 

[LamieRobertson]

I'm struggling to remember these 12 shots on target in our game. No problem remember the wild hacks that flew out for goal kicks (by both teams).

I can help you with one

 

[Acker79]

Off the top of my head:

Fergie's goal
Webster's header cleared off the line
Fati's shot into the keeper
Baleba shot saved
Adingra's follow-up after Baleba's shot
Mitoma(?) shot saved in first half
And another one

Fulham
Goal
Save from Steele from long shot
Save from Steele from close shot
Some other one where it came tamely back to him

I remember the goals.

I remember Baleba shanking two shots from distance in the first half and one in the second (none were on target). To be fair, shanking seems harsh, though it looked like he was using his weaker foot to take the shots

The Video @LamieRobertson posted have reminded me of a downward header from a corner in the first half but a fulham defender seemingly crossed the shooter's eyeline as he was heading it taking the sting out of the shot. I can't remember if that was the Webster one you're referring to?

The only Mitoma shot I can remember is one that curled away from goal in the first half, and adingra left (I felt he could have collected it to keep the pressure on).

I remember a close range flick that Steele saved.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bollocks two jumped up without having any treatment. The head injury one was worse. Total cheating.

That's how to get them - when they do that. I have said this repeatedly, if they (or a team mate) signal a desire for a stop in play, then they are either subbed, or punished. Punishment could be ten minutes warming the bench, or a red card.

If you are not injured so badly you have to be substituted and/or hospitalized, then limp off to the nearest touchline for a refreshing rub with a sponge, a sip of warm milk, and a lovely rusk. Or get the f*** up and play the f*** on.

This is all getting silly now, with officials behaving like health and safety officers. Oh, except when they suddenly decide to ignore the bloke on the floor, like yesterday shortly before Fulham scored.

It is this careless inconsistency and lack of any urgency to fix the flawed rubric that really pisses me off about football (and this country in general; from the Arundel bypass to HS2, to antisocial behaviour. Kill them. Kill them ALL. CRUSH, KILL, DESTROY!).

Sorry, what was I saying?

 

[London Irish]

VAR doing its job properly ....... still, guess that's too much to ask. The suggestion made earlier, that video evidence should be examined and retrospective bans should be given is probably a better way forward. A player writhing about cluctching his face when the video clearly shows that such contact as there was was nowhere near his face? Retrospectve red card - job's a good 'un.
Likewise a clear dive that the referee missed and the incompetant match day VAR couldn't be bothered to stop watching babe station to look at.

The reality is the debate over VAR has settled on VAR being less interventionist. The VAR officials have been cowed by the onslaught against the technology, not really I'd say by fans slagging it off on messageboards like this, but by leading pundits on Match of the Day like Lineker and Shearer blaming it for all the ills in football. So VAR takes the easy safety-first way out, rarely overruling the match day officials for a quiet life. That will mean the kind of challenge we saw yesterday mostly won't be picked up.

I think VAR should be more interventionist to punish those challenges, but we would have to accept that occasionally being human the VAR officials would intervene and get it wrong on occasions. We know what happens in those instances - the world goes mad and the backlash against VAR dominates front pages for days.

Unless we break out of that ridiculous cycle, accept that the technology is here to stay and stop the mass bullying of the VAR officials, VAR will never work in its optimum form

 

[GT49er]

The reality is the debate over VAR has settled on VAR being less interventionist. The VAR officials have been cowed by the onslaught against the technology, not really I'd say by fans slagging it off on messageboards like this, but by leading pundits on Match of the Day like Lineker and Shearer blaming it for all the ills in football. So VAR takes the easy safety-first way out, rarely overruling the match day officials for a quiet life. That will mean the kind of challenge we saw yesterday mostly won't be picked up.

I think VAR should be more interventionist to punish those challenges, but we would have to accept that occasionally being human the VAR officials would intervene and get it wrong on occasions. We know what happens in those instances - the world goes mad and the backlash against VAR dominates front pages for days.

Unless we break out of that ridiculous cycle, accept that the technology is here to stay and stop the mass bullying of the VAR officials, VAR will never work in its optimum form

Ironically, it was the constant criticism and analysis in slow motion of referees' mistakes by leading pundits on Match of the Day like Lineker and Shearer that was a major factor in gettng VAR in the first place.

Thou shall indeed reap what thou shalt sow!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The reality is the debate over VAR has settled on VAR being less interventionist. The VAR officials have been cowed by the onslaught against the technology, not really I'd say by fans slagging it off on messageboards like this, but by leading pundits on Match of the Day like Lineker and Shearer blaming it for all the ills in football. So VAR takes the easy safety-first way out, rarely overruling the match day officials for a quiet life. That will mean the kind of challenge we saw yesterday mostly won't be picked up.

I think VAR should be more interventionist to punish those challenges, but we would have to accept that occasionally being human the VAR officials would intervene and get it wrong on occasions. We know what happens in those instances - the world goes mad and the backlash against VAR dominates front pages for days.

Unless we break out of that ridiculous cycle, accept that the technology is here to stay and stop the mass bullying of the VAR officials, VAR will never work in its optimum form

Correct.

The underlying problem is the 'set in stone' mantra that the on field referee is the curator of the match, meaning that VAR is a 'referee assistant'.

I may have mentioned before that the research journal for my research society has a bunch of senior editors who make decisions about whether a research paper can be published or not. I was appointed as a 'design and analysis' consultant because the journal has a history of not picking up on bollocks experimental design and bollocks statistical analysis. But the former editor in chief did not want to 'undermine the senior editor role'. So the senior editors are given the power to decide when and whether to call me in, and I can give advice only, not declare that work is acceptable, revisable or fundamentally flawed and unacceptable. As it happens the senior editors want me to make the decision (which is why they refer papers to me in the first place). But because of this Old Bollocks about 'senior editor role' the senior editors are confused, rarely seek my advice, make their decisions and hope for the best, and we end up publishing a certain amount of false and misleading research.

Let VAR decide what it can*, and train the buggers (specialist VAR operators) on how to do it swiftly and accurately. Judging by what I have seen, most referees would relish a definitive decision by a VAR referee. If I were a ref, I would.

And the thing that exemplifies all this tomfoolery is the absurd rubric that 'The ref didn't give it and VAR did not see a clear and obvious error so didn't intervene, but If the ref had given it, VAR would not have overruled it'. In other words, it doesn't matter whether it was a goal, offside, a penalty or a red card, who knows, who cares, it's only a game, pull you knickers up and make me a cup of tea. No, sorry, that is not good enough.

*This is a separate debate. It could and should have had the elbowing cheat red carded yesterday. Cock-width offsides, no thanks - bring in the clear blue daylight rule. And so on. Not f***ing rocket science when you get over the 'who is actually in charge' cock-waving contest.

 

[Badger Boy]

I'm still really disappointed with this result, nearly a day on. It was bitterly disappointing not to get a second goal when we were on top and currently I really think we're not playing particularly well. We've had a really difficult run of fixtures without any question or shadow of doubt but although we're scoring in every game we're not playing with the fluency we did last season. I think all of the changes to the team are responsible for that, a lot of which isn't the fault of RDZ but the constantly changing the defence is at best contributing to the current struggles.