saltash seagull
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bet the authorites have never heard a mother say he must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time before
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BRIGHTON fans doing nothing for our reputation again
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Brighton Breezy
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saltash seagull said:
Yeah, that old chesnut eh?
Dancin Ninja BHA
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Richie Morris said:
You want to get your tongue any further up "Safeway's" arse Richie? I'm sure he's quite capable of fighting his own battles
How about having your own opinion for once Richie? There's a thought...........
saltash seagull
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bit unfair 2 say ritchie never has his own opinion ninja he makes quite a lot of sensible postsDancin Ninja BHA said:
I have received 2 emails from friends of the Albion fan concerned and they are completely shell-shocked about what is happening. Can I appeal to people to retain the "innocent until proven guilty" stance here.
We have no idea what happened. We have no idea of the background of the individual, but I am assured...
"Andrew is an innocent party in this, we have spoken to one of his friends who he is with - they were in an adjacent bar to where the trouble began, he walked away & was attacked & arrested by the police.
He has always been a true Albion fan, following the club in their darkest days - He was a regular at Goldstone, Priestfield & Withdean & he was one of the hardy souls who held a vigil outside of Bill Archers home, which, as you know was a peaceful protest. He was recently at Cardiff (goes without saying).
He has also followed England abroad for the last 3/4 years & is a member of the England Supporters Club.
He is not a hooligan.
His family are very upset about this, but will back him all the way. Andrew is a good lad, I am confident that the charges against him are false. (Yes, I know that we always hear that, but he's never even been in a local street fight)
Please ensure the excellent North Stand Chat is not used as forum to sully Andrew & indeed Brighton& Hove Albion's name. "
Let's give the bloke a chance, eh...?
We have no idea what happened. We have no idea of the background of the individual, but I am assured...
"Andrew is an innocent party in this, we have spoken to one of his friends who he is with - they were in an adjacent bar to where the trouble began, he walked away & was attacked & arrested by the police.
He has always been a true Albion fan, following the club in their darkest days - He was a regular at Goldstone, Priestfield & Withdean & he was one of the hardy souls who held a vigil outside of Bill Archers home, which, as you know was a peaceful protest. He was recently at Cardiff (goes without saying).
He has also followed England abroad for the last 3/4 years & is a member of the England Supporters Club.
He is not a hooligan.
His family are very upset about this, but will back him all the way. Andrew is a good lad, I am confident that the charges against him are false. (Yes, I know that we always hear that, but he's never even been in a local street fight)
Please ensure the excellent North Stand Chat is not used as forum to sully Andrew & indeed Brighton& Hove Albion's name. "
Let's give the bloke a chance, eh...?
saltash seagull
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it's easy to say give the bloke a chance bozza but anyone caught up in all this always is really innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time but saying that 1 of the things that has always put me of travelling to follow england is you do hear stories about people who get dragged into situations like that when they are innocent so give him the benefit of the doubt until we know more cos if that is true it could happen to any of us
I'm sure those of you who listen to TalkSport will have heard one of their reporters, Mike Boville (sp?) was hit by police last night whilst reporting from the scene of the trouble.
People CAN be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Throw in a very nervous local police force and who knows.
What I do know is I won't take lightly to people casting unfounded accusations. Not least of all because I have a legal liability for all NSC postings.
People CAN be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Throw in a very nervous local police force and who knows.
What I do know is I won't take lightly to people casting unfounded accusations. Not least of all because I have a legal liability for all NSC postings.
saltash seagull
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lets hope he is somehow proved to be innocent but even if he proves it will he lose his albion away membership (pressuming he's a member)? and he will probably find it hard to get out of the country when england are playing?
as for being in the wrong place at the wrong time people like uncle buck and thimble keegan who actully travel away with england quite probably have stories of seeing this sort of thing happen?
as for being in the wrong place at the wrong time people like uncle buck and thimble keegan who actully travel away with england quite probably have stories of seeing this sort of thing happen?
Shankly Seagull
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Looks like the Courts didn't find him innocent. One fan jailed for 2 years, and the next most severe sentances were given to -
"John Parkes, 19, of Dudley, David Jackson, 28, of Peterborough, John Jackson, 22, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Ricky Tsigarides, 22, of Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, Daniel Marsh, 20, of Barnsley, and Andrew Williams, 21, of Burgess Hill, Sussex, all received seven-month jail sentences suspended for three years."
Taken from the BBC website this morning...
"John Parkes, 19, of Dudley, David Jackson, 28, of Peterborough, John Jackson, 22, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Ricky Tsigarides, 22, of Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, Daniel Marsh, 20, of Barnsley, and Andrew Williams, 21, of Burgess Hill, Sussex, all received seven-month jail sentences suspended for three years."
Taken from the BBC website this morning...
Gazwag
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Whether he is innocent or guilty, ok so the portugal courts have found him guilty but that proves nothing, the problem is that the papers have quoted he is a Brighton and Hove Albion Fan, the falmer protestors must be rubbing their hands with glee this morning. If we ever hear the truth and he is in fact innocent then will the papers print this - I doubt it.
Albion Rob
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Unfortunately Gazwag, the papers can only report the facts and as they stand this morning they are that a Brighton and Hove Albion fan received a suspended sentence for fighting in Portugal. I agree with what you say about if he is proved to be innocent, but I can't see how that could ever happen. He has got the weight of the Portuguese police and legal ststem against him and unless he has someone videoing him throughout the whole incident he will find it near impossible to get the conviction quashed.
I don't know the facts of his involvement in the incident because I wasn't there, who knows what he did? Maybe he got caught up in the heat of it and overreacted. Maybe he was defending himself. Maybe he was just nicked indiscriminately.
The state of play as it stands though is that he has a criminal conviction for football violence, which is extremely sad for the guy.
I don't know the facts of his involvement in the incident because I wasn't there, who knows what he did? Maybe he got caught up in the heat of it and overreacted. Maybe he was defending himself. Maybe he was just nicked indiscriminately.
The state of play as it stands though is that he has a criminal conviction for football violence, which is extremely sad for the guy.
34064 Fighter Command
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Bozza said:
No-one here can say wether he is innocent or guilty, but to frequent an area known for alchohol fuelled trouble, just 24 hours after previous violence had flared up, would, if you are intent on avoiding trouble, have to be a pretty reckless decision.
Given that one person had charges against them dropped ( & was allowed to stay in Portugal ), whilst another three were deported after acquital for other reasons, suggests there is a little more to it than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Received this from an NSC member, who I hope will forgive me for posting it here...
"I, too, am shocked to hear about what has happened to Andrew, assuming he is the Andrew Williams I know. He used to play football for BHA United and I used to give him lifts to matches. He was certainly quiet and polite and not at all the type of person I would have expected to be involved in violence. His family are very pleasant and respectable people and I have no doubt that they are mortified by what has happened to Andrew.
Obviously, it's not for me to judge whether or not he is guilty but, as we all know, there are cases of mistaken identity and wrongful arrest. It is very sad that Andrew, who is a dedicated Brighton supporter, will probably be banned from following his club and, if he is innocent, this is tragic."
Still, let's hang the bloke, eh?
"I, too, am shocked to hear about what has happened to Andrew, assuming he is the Andrew Williams I know. He used to play football for BHA United and I used to give him lifts to matches. He was certainly quiet and polite and not at all the type of person I would have expected to be involved in violence. His family are very pleasant and respectable people and I have no doubt that they are mortified by what has happened to Andrew.
Obviously, it's not for me to judge whether or not he is guilty but, as we all know, there are cases of mistaken identity and wrongful arrest. It is very sad that Andrew, who is a dedicated Brighton supporter, will probably be banned from following his club and, if he is innocent, this is tragic."
Still, let's hang the bloke, eh?
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Uncle Buck
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Bozza said:
If it is the lad I think it is 'Billy' as we know him, then this is about right.
Simster and co stop hanging the guy out to dry until you know all the facts, all you have is the media reports and they have been looking for this sort of thing.
Albion Rob
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Uncle Buck said:
If it didn't happen they would have nothing to report on - a la World Cup 2002.
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"Can I appeal to people to retain the "innocent until proven guilty" stance here.". WELL SAID
I think the certain local press should bear this in mind as i bet they wont run a front page spread should he prove to be innocent eh? It is also true that some people do get innocently caught up in the meley though statistically most probably are guilty they are innocent until proven otherwise. To be branding anyone guilty until sentanced in a court of law in libelous.
granted it doesnt look good a fan of BHA caught up in all this and no doubt 2 Jags reading the connections putting 2 and 2 together then sitting next to Brown nose in the commons i doubt whether the fat *** can add up anyway. I would actually say good luck to anyone caught up in the meley innocently and lets not forget the foreigners appear to thinbk weve English a reputation and its ok to go in over the top policing, that too is unacceptable.
I think the certain local press should bear this in mind as i bet they wont run a front page spread should he prove to be innocent eh? It is also true that some people do get innocently caught up in the meley though statistically most probably are guilty they are innocent until proven otherwise. To be branding anyone guilty until sentanced in a court of law in libelous.
granted it doesnt look good a fan of BHA caught up in all this and no doubt 2 Jags reading the connections putting 2 and 2 together then sitting next to Brown nose in the commons i doubt whether the fat *** can add up anyway. I would actually say good luck to anyone caught up in the meley innocently and lets not forget the foreigners appear to thinbk weve English a reputation and its ok to go in over the top policing, that too is unacceptable.
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Bozza said:
In the spirit of democratic choice I think we should have a NSC poll on it before tieing the noose.