[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

Additionally this. Feel free to PM me if you want JCFG. I'm quite busy at the moment but I might get round to replying once I've finished stapling my balls to the kitchen table.

I did but you never replied ?
Regards
DF

 

[Guinness Boy]

I did but you never replied ?
Regards
DF

I've been busy

 

[Butch Willykins]

they're not even blue

I can assure you they are definitely blue. Why would you think they are not?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Re Chicken Run ban. May I humbly suggest It would be better if a moderator making descions on who should recieve infractions leading to a ban on political/partisan threads didn't have a clear political bias and know one of the main protagonists on the thread in question... just a thought

Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk

I really don’t know what’s happened to [MENTION=534]Chicken Run[/MENTION] in the past few weeks but a rest from NSC is certainly needed. Aside from spamming, following people, derailing numerous threads with childish comments he hit a new level last weekend when he quoted a post of mine, and when I queried him, claimed he’d whooshed me. Now, I’ll freely admit things can, and do go, over my head....but I generally can comprehend my own words. I feel he needs a break, a rest, to slow down and relax a bit; he’ll feel better for it I’m sure.

 

[vegster]

I really don’t know what’s happened to [MENTION=534]Chicken Run[/MENTION] in the past few weeks but a rest from NSC is certainly needed. Aside from spamming, following people, derailing numerous threads with childish comments he hit a new level last weekend when he quoted a post of mine, and when I queried him, claimed he’d whooshed me. Now, I’ll freely admit things can, and do go, over my head....but I generally can comprehend my own words. I feel he needs a break, a rest, to slow down and relax a bit; he’ll feel better for it I’m sure.

I had this from him for a short while, I got fed up and put him on iggy, problem solved. I think some people just get sucked in to being permanently Anti everything, as pointed out elsewhere there is a huge anti-woke backlash against questioning so many social and historical positions. Strange days indeed.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I can assure you they are definitely blue. Why would you think they are not?

INDIGO BLUE
Regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

Collapse of trade with EU will ‘last until the summer’

The collapse of Britain’s trade with the EU will continue into the summer after the failure to recruit up to 30,000 customs agents, despite government assurances that normal service has resumed, industry groups have warned. Delays and confusion at the UK’s ports, which have resulted in 40% of trucks crossing the Channel with empty containers, threatens to put hundreds of small and medium exporters out of business and cost the government millions of pounds in lost trade tariffs.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer/ar-BB1eyFfO?ocid=mailsignout

Brexit: Seafood industries suffer massive 83% hit to January exports to EU

Fresh figures have revealed the devastating impact of Brexit, with UK seafood exports to the EU almost completely wiped out amid a £700 million hit. “This simply can’t be talked away as a Covid issue. “The crash in UK trade has not been seen in sales to non-EU markets, despite it being a global pandemic.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/food-and-drink/2967421/impact-of-brexit-to-seafood-exports/



The simple fact of the matter is that whilst it is questionable whether there was ever any such thing as 'A Good Brexit deal', the one we have ended up with is a completely shit deal that is un-implementable and harming the UK in so many areas. Here we are, only 10 weeks in and with the UK parts only partially implemented and we have,

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

And these are only the 5 biggest issues off the top of my head. There's still hundreds more effecting all sorts of industries, businesses and jobs.

However the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.

So does anyone have any idea of what we can do to alleviate any aspects of any of these problems going forward ? Or do we simply continue to hurtle forwards regardless ?

 

[daveinprague]

Blue passports, a document many will see/use a couple of times a year, are important. We didn't have to change it to Burgundy, that was a British government decision, not a direction from the EU, but clearly it's worth the cluster**** of Brexit to have it blue again.

 

[Baldseagull]

As I said previously other topics can get drawn into a referendum but that doesn't detract from the fact that both referendum questions made clear it was about giving approval to an EU constitution (ever closer Union).

"Are you For or Against approval by the Netherlands of the treaty establishing a constitution for Europe?"

"Do you approve the bill authorising the ratification of the treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe?"

Forgive me for believing EU supporting Prime Ministers and Presidents and the architect of the EU constitution opinions more than your views.

Yes, some changes made to treaties would be exempt including adding a new members name to a treaty but that would mean a new member had joined, which would obviously impact the UK eg their countries citizens would have the right to work and live here, that country would have a veto and vote on issues covered by qualified majority voting, that country would have to join the Eurozone increasing that blocks influence on the future direction of the EU. A minister decides what is a significant change but yes a legal challenge could be made if others disagreed but there is no guarantee such a challenge would be successful. The parliamentary scrutiny committee identified similar concerns at the time .. 'We think the possibility for successful judicial review of a ministerial decision whether a transfer of power under clause 4(1)(i) and (j) is significant will, in practice, be limited.' The previous shows further integration and material changes to the UK's place in the EU could occur despite having a so-called referendum lock preventing this from happening.

If you would have asked a person voting against the creation of an EU constitution in a referendum what specific device would be used to circumvent their vote would they have known? What we do know (if we are being honest) is the EU has form in circumventing democratic votes and politicians lie.

Mate, you start off saying different topics get drawn into a referendum, claim these ones were all about ever closer union, and then show the question was about establishing a constitution for Europe, without the ever closer union you always draw into it in brackets. You then say you trust the pro EU leaders of France and Holland, and finish with all politicians lie.

You make a reasonable case for a member joining having material effect on the UK, but only a country with a significant population would have a significant effect. There are five candidate countries, one of which is Turkey and their application has been on the back burner since the 1980's, it isn't going to join without a major change in governance sustained for a long period, and if it got to a stage where members had to vote on it, I believe the referendum lock would come into play, if they could get their application past Greece and Cyprus. The other four together make a population of about 12 million, and I don't think that would have much, if any, effect on the UK.

You say the EU has form in circumventing democratic votes, which is a grey area. There are some things you could point to, such as the European Council putting forward Ursula von der Leyen, after the EU Parliament had suggested an alternative, however, bear in mind that the Council is the leaders of the member states, and would have equally, if not more annoyed you, if the UK had lost some power to select a President.
The treaty changes that have afforded greater democracy are met with horror from Euro-sceptics as a loss of sovereignty. I would like a more democratic EU, but mostly that would take powers from the member states and give it to MEP's or the people, and the members are not keen to do that. As I have said before, much of what the EU haters state as major problems with the EU, can be solved with more powers for the EU, but hey Sovereignty.

 

[Baldseagull]

Bit one sided with all your predicted job losses posts in amongst all the other dross you post. How many times as have you posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost

It's reckoned to be around 10,000 jobs lost between the vote and exit. i.e. before it had happened, so lets wait and see what happens now it is in effect, but I don't think it is going to get better.

 

[portslade seagull]

It's reckoned to be around 10,000 jobs lost between the vote and exit. i.e. before it had happened, so lets wait and see what happens now it is in effect, but I don't think it is going to get better.

That's a more accurate number, think there will be more office closures due to remote working as firms add up the savings. My son is currently working in Scotland remotely for a firm based in Brighton and they are happy for him to continue.

 

[WATFORD zero]

That's a more accurate number, think there will be more office closures due to remote working as firms add up the savings. My son is currently working in Scotland remotely for a firm based in Brighton and they are happy for him to continue.

Really ? You now think that Baldseagull's figure is more accurate than the '100,000 banking jobs' figure that you made up. The one you then posted on this thread a couple of days ago and lied by claiming someone else had said it

 

[portslade seagull]

Really ? You now think that Baldseagull's figure is more accurate than the '100,000 banking jobs' figure that you made up. The one you then posted on this thread a couple of days ago and lied by claiming someone else had said it

No you made it up at the start once the vote was known and have probably desperately edited everything to hide it

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No you made it up at the start once the vote was known and have probably desperately edited everything to hide it

Many of them were pushing the project fear nonsense .... all very selective memories now obvs

Brexit' would lead to loss of 100,000 bank jobs, says City

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-of-100-000-bank-jobs-says-city-a3124661.html

Brexit could lead to loss of 100,000 financial services jobs, report warns

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...f-100000-financial-services-jobs-report-warns

Leaving the EU could put at risk up to 100,000 financial services jobs by 2020

https://www.thecityuk.com/news/eu-e...to-100000-jobs-in-financial-services-by-2020/

 

[WATFORD zero]

No you made it up at the start once the vote was known and have probably desperately edited everything to hide it

You do realise you can only edit a post on NSC for 30 mins

Next ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Many of them were pushing the project fear nonsense .... all very selective memories now obvs

Brexit' would lead to loss of 100,000 bank jobs, says City

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-of-100-000-bank-jobs-says-city-a3124661.html

Brexit could lead to loss of 100,000 financial services jobs, report warns

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...f-100000-financial-services-jobs-report-warns

Leaving the EU could put at risk up to 100,000 financial services jobs by 2020

https://www.thecityuk.com/news/eu-e...to-100000-jobs-in-financial-services-by-2020/

And yet you still try and claim that it was said by posters on NSC

But of course, Brexit has turned out to be an unbridled success

And I see you have also repeated the lie that 'I posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost'. Proof, an apology or any sort of honesty would be nice, but I won't hold my breath

I'm sorry but if you were stupid enough to believe both Johnson's Brexit lies and The various Project fear lies, it's no wonder we have ended up here

 

[JC Footy Genius]

And yet you still try and claim that it was said by posters on NSC



I'm sorry but if you were stupid enough to believe both Johnson's Brexit lies and The various Project fear lies, it's no wonder we have ended up here

Never doubt the bringer of TRUTH! My bad it was actually 200k ...

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/natio...-told-01a30dc5-c7bf-4304-a8e5-31bd0a56f324-ds

200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services, and its already started.

We going to have to export a lot of tea and biscuits to China...

 

[WATFORD zero]

One more time, just to be clear

Here's the original lie about what was claimed 'I said, multiple times' and me calling portslade out on it.

Bit one sided with all your predicted job losses posts in amongst all the other dross you post. How many times as have you posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost

The issues arising from Brexit do indeed seem to be very one sided, who could have guessed? But I have never posted about 100,000s banking jobs being lost. You are either mistaken or lying

Here is you repeating the lie and me calling you out on it.

Bit one sided with all your predicted job losses posts in amongst all the other dross you post. How many times as have you posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost

Thay all suffer from onformation bias combined with very selective memories
Most spent years predicting no deal armaggedon, some even wanted it to happen ...

But of course, Brexit has turned out to be an unbridled success

And I see you have also repeated the lie that 'I posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost'. Proof, an apology or any sort of honesty would be nice, but I won't hold my breath

Then you totally ignore the post until days later when you finally manage to find a post from 4 years ago with a link to a local rag in Kendal, Lake district, which doesn't work, which says (presumably as the article is long gone) '200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services'. Stirling detective work

Never doubt the bringer of TRUTH! My bad it was actually 200k ...

wave:

If you want to bring some TRUTH, maybe you could tell us the TRUTH about how many accounts you have left now that Is It POTG? has gone

Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery, back to the actual subject of the thread and let's see what happened in real life over this weekend as a direct result of Brexit

Irish assets leave London in €100bn post-Brexit switch

About €100 billion of Irish securities moved from London to Brussels over the weekend as UK and EU markets deepen their split following Britain’s departure from the single market.

Holdings for 50 companies listed on the Irish stock exchange moved from the securities depository of the London operation of Euroclear, one of the world’s largest settlement houses, to its Belgium-based unit.The two-year project to shift billions of euros of assets between depositories, which hold assets on behalf of investors and finalise transfers between customer accounts, is unusual. Companies and investors do not often move corporate securities from settlement houses, an unglamorous but vital part of the market where deals are finalised and assets transferred from seller to buyer.

However, Brexit has changed the web of cross-border financial markets links in Europe.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542

 

[JC Footy Genius]

One more time, just to be clear

Here's the original lie about what was claimed 'I said, multiple times' and me calling portslade out on it.



Here is you repeating the lie and me calling you out on it.



Then you totally ignore the post until days later when you finally manage to find a post from 4 years ago with a link to a local rag in Kendal, Lake district, which doesn't work, which says (presumably as the article is long gone) '200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services'. Stirling detective work



If you want to bring some TRUTH, maybe you could tell us the TRUTH about how many accounts you have left now that Is It POTG? has gone

Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery, back to the actual subject of the thread and let's see what happened in real life over this weekend as a direct result of Brexit

Irish assets leave London in €100bn post-Brexit switch

About €100 billion of Irish securities moved from London to Brussels over the weekend as UK and EU markets deepen their split following Britain’s departure from the single market.

Holdings for 50 companies listed on the Irish stock exchange moved from the securities depository of the London operation of Euroclear, one of the world’s largest settlement houses, to its Belgium-based unit.The two-year project to shift billions of euros of assets between depositories, which hold assets on behalf of investors and finalise transfers between customer accounts, is unusual. Companies and investors do not often move corporate securities from settlement houses, an unglamorous but vital part of the market where deals are finalised and assets transferred from seller to buyer.

However, Brexit has changed the web of cross-border financial markets links in Europe.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542

Very brave of you reiterating an argument about multi accounts fibs which we were all warned to end. Hopefully our ever vigilant moderating team haven't noticed. Please try and stay on topic and cut out the petty feuding.

 

[nicko31]

Never doubt the bringer of TRUTH! My bad it was actually 200k ...

You seem bizarrely empowered by what I ask?

A no deal on Financial services, it generates £75B p.a in tax revenue. We won't lose all of it but even if we lost 15% its a huge financial hole

What's your plan B from here? Still relying on a Jam and biscuits Brexit?