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[Politics] Brexit
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Butch Willykins
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I can assure you they are definitely blue. Why would you think they are not?
I really don’t know what’s happened to [MENTION=534]Chicken Run[/MENTION] in the past few weeks but a rest from NSC is certainly needed. Aside from spamming, following people, derailing numerous threads with childish comments he hit a new level last weekend when he quoted a post of mine, and when I queried him, claimed he’d whooshed me. Now, I’ll freely admit things can, and do go, over my head....but I generally can comprehend my own words. I feel he needs a break, a rest, to slow down and relax a bit; he’ll feel better for it I’m sure.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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I had this from him for a short while, I got fed up and put him on iggy, problem solved. I think some people just get sucked in to being permanently Anti everything, as pointed out elsewhere there is a huge anti-woke backlash against questioning so many social and historical positions. Strange days indeed.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Collapse of trade with EU will ‘last until the summer’
The collapse of Britain’s trade with the EU will continue into the summer after the failure to recruit up to 30,000 customs agents, despite government assurances that normal service has resumed, industry groups have warned. Delays and confusion at the UK’s ports, which have resulted in 40% of trucks crossing the Channel with empty containers, threatens to put hundreds of small and medium exporters out of business and cost the government millions of pounds in lost trade tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer/ar-BB1eyFfO?ocid=mailsignout
Brexit: Seafood industries suffer massive 83% hit to January exports to EU
Fresh figures have revealed the devastating impact of Brexit, with UK seafood exports to the EU almost completely wiped out amid a £700 million hit. “This simply can’t be talked away as a Covid issue. “The crash in UK trade has not been seen in sales to non-EU markets, despite it being a global pandemic.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/food-and-drink/2967421/impact-of-brexit-to-seafood-exports/
The simple fact of the matter is that whilst it is questionable whether there was ever any such thing as 'A Good Brexit deal', the one we have ended up with is a completely shit deal that is un-implementable and harming the UK in so many areas. Here we are, only 10 weeks in and with the UK parts only partially implemented and we have,
A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.
And these are only the 5 biggest issues off the top of my head. There's still hundreds more effecting all sorts of industries, businesses and jobs.
However the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.
So does anyone have any idea of what we can do to alleviate any aspects of any of these problems going forward ? Or do we simply continue to hurtle forwards regardless ?
The collapse of Britain’s trade with the EU will continue into the summer after the failure to recruit up to 30,000 customs agents, despite government assurances that normal service has resumed, industry groups have warned. Delays and confusion at the UK’s ports, which have resulted in 40% of trucks crossing the Channel with empty containers, threatens to put hundreds of small and medium exporters out of business and cost the government millions of pounds in lost trade tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/collapse-of-trade-with-eu-will-last-until-the-summer/ar-BB1eyFfO?ocid=mailsignout
Brexit: Seafood industries suffer massive 83% hit to January exports to EU
Fresh figures have revealed the devastating impact of Brexit, with UK seafood exports to the EU almost completely wiped out amid a £700 million hit. “This simply can’t be talked away as a Covid issue. “The crash in UK trade has not been seen in sales to non-EU markets, despite it being a global pandemic.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/food-and-drink/2967421/impact-of-brexit-to-seafood-exports/
The simple fact of the matter is that whilst it is questionable whether there was ever any such thing as 'A Good Brexit deal', the one we have ended up with is a completely shit deal that is un-implementable and harming the UK in so many areas. Here we are, only 10 weeks in and with the UK parts only partially implemented and we have,
A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.
And these are only the 5 biggest issues off the top of my head. There's still hundreds more effecting all sorts of industries, businesses and jobs.
However the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.
So does anyone have any idea of what we can do to alleviate any aspects of any of these problems going forward ? Or do we simply continue to hurtle forwards regardless ?
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daveinprague
New member
Blue passports, a document many will see/use a couple of times a year, are important. We didn't have to change it to Burgundy, that was a British government decision, not a direction from the EU, but clearly it's worth the cluster**** of Brexit to have it blue again.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Mate, you start off saying different topics get drawn into a referendum, claim these ones were all about ever closer union, and then show the question was about establishing a constitution for Europe, without the ever closer union you always draw into it in brackets. You then say you trust the pro EU leaders of France and Holland, and finish with all politicians lie.
You make a reasonable case for a member joining having material effect on the UK, but only a country with a significant population would have a significant effect. There are five candidate countries, one of which is Turkey and their application has been on the back burner since the 1980's, it isn't going to join without a major change in governance sustained for a long period, and if it got to a stage where members had to vote on it, I believe the referendum lock would come into play, if they could get their application past Greece and Cyprus. The other four together make a population of about 12 million, and I don't think that would have much, if any, effect on the UK.
You say the EU has form in circumventing democratic votes, which is a grey area. There are some things you could point to, such as the European Council putting forward Ursula von der Leyen, after the EU Parliament had suggested an alternative, however, bear in mind that the Council is the leaders of the member states, and would have equally, if not more annoyed you, if the UK had lost some power to select a President.
The treaty changes that have afforded greater democracy are met with horror from Euro-sceptics as a loss of sovereignty. I would like a more democratic EU, but mostly that would take powers from the member states and give it to MEP's or the people, and the members are not keen to do that. As I have said before, much of what the EU haters state as major problems with the EU, can be solved with more powers for the EU, but hey Sovereignty.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
It's reckoned to be around 10,000 jobs lost between the vote and exit. i.e. before it had happened, so lets wait and see what happens now it is in effect, but I don't think it is going to get better.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
That's a more accurate number, think there will be more office closures due to remote working as firms add up the savings. My son is currently working in Scotland remotely for a firm based in Brighton and they are happy for him to continue.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Really ? You now think that Baldseagull's figure is more accurate than the '100,000 banking jobs' figure that you made up. The one you then posted on this thread a couple of days ago and lied by claiming someone else had said it
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portslade seagull
Well-known member
Really ? You now think that Baldseagull's figure is more accurate than the '100,000 banking jobs' figure that you made up. The one you then posted on this thread a couple of days ago and lied by claiming someone else had said it
No you made it up at the start once the vote was known and have probably desperately edited everything to hide it
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Many of them were pushing the project fear nonsense .... all very selective memories now obvs
Brexit' would lead to loss of 100,000 bank jobs, says City
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-of-100-000-bank-jobs-says-city-a3124661.html
Brexit could lead to loss of 100,000 financial services jobs, report warns
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...f-100000-financial-services-jobs-report-warns
Leaving the EU could put at risk up to 100,000 financial services jobs by 2020
https://www.thecityuk.com/news/eu-e...to-100000-jobs-in-financial-services-by-2020/
- Jul 10, 2003
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- Jul 10, 2003
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And yet you still try and claim that it was said by posters on NSC
But of course, Brexit has turned out to be an unbridled success
And I see you have also repeated the lie that 'I posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost'. Proof, an apology or any sort of honesty would be nice, but I won't hold my breath
I'm sorry but if you were stupid enough to believe both Johnson's Brexit lies and The various Project fear lies, it's no wonder we have ended up here
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
And yet you still try and claim that it was said by posters on NSC
I'm sorry but if you were stupid enough to believe both Johnson's Brexit lies and The various Project fear lies, it's no wonder we have ended up here
Never doubt the bringer of TRUTH! My bad it was actually 200k ...
- Jul 10, 2003
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One more time, just to be clear
Here's the original lie about what was claimed 'I said, multiple times' and me calling portslade out on it.
Here is you repeating the lie and me calling you out on it.
Then you totally ignore the post until days later when you finally manage to find a post from 4 years ago with a link to a local rag in Kendal, Lake district, which doesn't work, which says (presumably as the article is long gone) '200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services'. Stirling detective work
If you want to bring some TRUTH, maybe you could tell us the TRUTH about how many accounts you have left now that Is It POTG? has gone
Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery, back to the actual subject of the thread and let's see what happened in real life over this weekend as a direct result of Brexit
Irish assets leave London in €100bn post-Brexit switch
About €100 billion of Irish securities moved from London to Brussels over the weekend as UK and EU markets deepen their split following Britain’s departure from the single market.
Holdings for 50 companies listed on the Irish stock exchange moved from the securities depository of the London operation of Euroclear, one of the world’s largest settlement houses, to its Belgium-based unit.The two-year project to shift billions of euros of assets between depositories, which hold assets on behalf of investors and finalise transfers between customer accounts, is unusual. Companies and investors do not often move corporate securities from settlement houses, an unglamorous but vital part of the market where deals are finalised and assets transferred from seller to buyer.
However, Brexit has changed the web of cross-border financial markets links in Europe.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542
Here's the original lie about what was claimed 'I said, multiple times' and me calling portslade out on it.
The issues arising from Brexit do indeed seem to be very one sided, who could have guessed? But I have never posted about 100,000s banking jobs being lost. You are either mistaken or lying
Here is you repeating the lie and me calling you out on it.
But of course, Brexit has turned out to be an unbridled success
And I see you have also repeated the lie that 'I posted about 100,000s of banking jobs being lost'. Proof, an apology or any sort of honesty would be nice, but I won't hold my breath
Then you totally ignore the post until days later when you finally manage to find a post from 4 years ago with a link to a local rag in Kendal, Lake district, which doesn't work, which says (presumably as the article is long gone) '200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services'. Stirling detective work
If you want to bring some TRUTH, maybe you could tell us the TRUTH about how many accounts you have left now that Is It POTG? has gone
Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery, back to the actual subject of the thread and let's see what happened in real life over this weekend as a direct result of Brexit
Irish assets leave London in €100bn post-Brexit switch
About €100 billion of Irish securities moved from London to Brussels over the weekend as UK and EU markets deepen their split following Britain’s departure from the single market.
Holdings for 50 companies listed on the Irish stock exchange moved from the securities depository of the London operation of Euroclear, one of the world’s largest settlement houses, to its Belgium-based unit.The two-year project to shift billions of euros of assets between depositories, which hold assets on behalf of investors and finalise transfers between customer accounts, is unusual. Companies and investors do not often move corporate securities from settlement houses, an unglamorous but vital part of the market where deals are finalised and assets transferred from seller to buyer.
However, Brexit has changed the web of cross-border financial markets links in Europe.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
One more time, just to be clear
Here's the original lie about what was claimed 'I said, multiple times' and me calling portslade out on it.
Here is you repeating the lie and me calling you out on it.
Then you totally ignore the post until days later when you finally manage to find a post from 4 years ago with a link to a local rag in Kendal, Lake district, which doesn't work, which says (presumably as the article is long gone) '200K jobs at risk with Brexit in financial services'. Stirling detective work
If you want to bring some TRUTH, maybe you could tell us the TRUTH about how many accounts you have left now that Is It POTG? has gone
Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery, back to the actual subject of the thread and let's see what happened in real life over this weekend as a direct result of Brexit
Irish assets leave London in €100bn post-Brexit switch
About €100 billion of Irish securities moved from London to Brussels over the weekend as UK and EU markets deepen their split following Britain’s departure from the single market.
Holdings for 50 companies listed on the Irish stock exchange moved from the securities depository of the London operation of Euroclear, one of the world’s largest settlement houses, to its Belgium-based unit.The two-year project to shift billions of euros of assets between depositories, which hold assets on behalf of investors and finalise transfers between customer accounts, is unusual. Companies and investors do not often move corporate securities from settlement houses, an unglamorous but vital part of the market where deals are finalised and assets transferred from seller to buyer.
However, Brexit has changed the web of cross-border financial markets links in Europe.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542
Very brave of you reiterating an argument about multi accounts fibs which we were all warned to end. Hopefully our ever vigilant moderating team haven't noticed. Please try and stay on topic and cut out the petty feuding.
nicko31
Well-known member
Never doubt the bringer of TRUTH! My bad it was actually 200k ...
You seem bizarrely empowered by what I ask?
A no deal on Financial services, it generates £75B p.a in tax revenue. We won't lose all of it but even if we lost 15% its a huge financial hole
What's your plan B from here? Still relying on a Jam and biscuits Brexit?