[Politics] Brexit

[vegster]

Simon Rattle decries Brexit as he applies for German citizenship


https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/16/simon-rattle-applies-for-german-citizenship-brexit

 

[sydney]

I've never understood this argument, if we sell 75% of what we catch - mostly to the EU, easier to have shared quotas and as you point out we sold our fishing rights years ago

and this is from people who support policies of privitisation of the country's assets, railways, utlities, housing stock etc and whatever next (NHS / Beeb). Taking back control but happy for everything we own going to the private sector and large chunk of our wealth going to foreign hands

well **** me dead ....you are actually waking g up.... it's like a game of chess and every **** wants to win ... we just have to work out who the pawns , bishops , rooks , knights and queens are ........wake the **** up mate .

 

[McTavish]

So to summarise: it's currently a bit of a hassle for small importers to the UK, though there are no explicit extra costs, so some have suspended delivery while they work out how to do it, or if it's still worth their time?

Trying to learn something here among all the complaining.

There are explicit extra costs.

I work in the wine business and we have calculated that our average extra cost due to increased paperwork and higher freight charges for importing from the EU is £0.22/bottle.

We used to do a bit of business exporting new world wines to Italy and France but have had to stop that completely because the extra costs (eg re-labelling every bottle) and bureaucracy would be prohibitively expensive. We will stop any business with NI for the same reason.

For my business, Brexit means that imports are more expensive and exports have ceased completely.

 

[WATFORD zero]

So to summarise: it's currently a bit of a hassle for small importers to the UK, though there are no explicit extra costs, so some have suspended delivery while they work out how to do it, or if it's still worth their time?

Trying to learn something here among all the complaining.

No, I'm afraid it's not just currently a bit of hassle, but with the amount of changes across all areas, it is very complicated. If we take one small aspect, that has been discussed on here, the change to VAT for importers.

First they will have to pay VAT to HMRC when their goods enter the UK. This is a new process that has been introduced as a result of Brexit and has explicit extra costs. This post from earlier then explains what else an EU importer to the UK has to do, which will also have extra explicit costs..

So say you're a small German brewery exporting its lager to the UK. You don't speak English and you already have to file your German VAT Return, payroll, corporation tax, auto-enrolment plus personal Tax Returns. Why the f**k would you then register for UK VAT and have to deal with UK HMRC in a language you don't understand, possibly run a UK £ bank account too?

And how many German accountants are going to want to take on the work of preparing a UK VAT Return every 3 months and be responsible for all compliance surrounding that VAT registration, stay abreast of the UK VAT legislation, VAT rate changes etc? It is low value, pain in the ass bookkeeping work, the sort of chore no tax agent would want to be lumbered with - dealing with domestic VAT is bad enough.

This trading arrangement is heavily in favour of big business who have an accounts department to deal with this stuff, but God help the small farmer, brewer, cheesemaker, dressmaker who have to deal with this bureaucracy. I can see it choking businesses big time.

This is a very small example of the impact in one small area. This particular aspect isn't going to go away or be overcome due to teething problems, it is part of the process which will now have to be followed going forward.

These type of changes are happening on a huge scale across all sorts of industries, markets etc, hence the number of different things highlighted on this thread so far.

 

[_mark_]

I’d love to hear an example of anyone, either personally or in business, that’s better off since Brexit. I know it’s incredibly early but I don’t know anyone who’s in a better position?

Boris got the trade deal headline but it was all smoke and mirrors

 

[Bozza]

But it's true that retailers in the EU have not been keen to sell to the UK. I occasionally buy some stationery products from https://www.deskstore.com/en/about-deskstore.html because I accidentally committed to the Swedish hole punch system 25 years ago (a long and uninteresting story) - and currently they won't ship to the UK (but will to the Isle of Man, so hopefully it can be worked out, as the IoM has never been in the EU)

I use Keller Sports quite often for Nike running shoes and kit. Decent company who are often better-priced than anywhere else I can find.

Not any more I can't > https://www.keller-sports.co.uk

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Equally I don’t recall much activity from the usual suspects in the period leading up to 18/09/14 championing the importance of the Union!




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Amusing how losing a referendum and a couple of general elections has suddenly radicalised them into Europhiles. But its pleasing to see the sudden interest in SME problems although I can't remember any posts about the endless flow of EU red tape effecting 100% of business (not just exporters) hampering small business growth.

*tut*

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[Bodian]

I’d love to hear an example of anyone, either personally or in business, that’s better off since Brexit. I know it’s incredibly early but I don’t know anyone who’s in a better position?

Boris got the trade deal headline but it was all smoke and mirrors

I'm better off since Brexit as I was awarded five extra days holiday and some vouchers for my local greengrocers last week as part of a work 'reward and recognition' scheme. Does that count??

 

[Chicken Run]

Should you not feed "indigenous birds" food from Sweden, or any other country for that matter?

Well apparently not, he can’t get any?



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[Chicken Run]

I have very happy british birds who just happen to like swedish bird feeders, its their choice and theyre not happy more aren't being put up

Oh, how about this Swedish bird feeder ?

Born in Sweden Window Bird Feeder https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001STQKAQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_X7SaGbQ4KE2KB


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[_mark_]

I'm better off since Brexit as I was awarded five extra days holiday and some vouchers for my local greengrocers last week as part of a work 'reward and recognition' scheme. Does that count??

Perfect, that’s exactly what I was looking for. As long the majority are better off it will make up for those if us who work in industries that have been shafted.

 

[Bodian]

Perfect, that’s exactly what I was looking for. As long the majority are better off it will make up for those if us who work in industries that have been shafted.

I didn't say it was because of Brexit - just since Brexit!

 

[Jim in the West]

I’d love to hear an example of anyone, either personally or in business, that’s better off since Brexit. I know it’s incredibly early but I don’t know anyone who’s in a better position?

Boris got the trade deal headline but it was all smoke and mirrors

There will be some clear winners. Here's a few for a start:

- Business owners who will soon be able to extract more from their workers (once the rules around the Working Time Directive are ditched);
- Nationalists in Northern Ireland (on the re-establishment of a united Ireland);
- Myriad businesses in the EU (who will pick up the trade that UK businesses are now no longer able to (or willing to) provide);
- 50,000+ new customs officers (some of whom probably wouldn't have jobs if it weren't for Brexit-induced recruitment in this sphere);
- Construction companies involved in building all those lorry parks around the UK.....

 

[whosthedaddy]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

 

[_mark_]

There will be some clear winners. Here's a few for a start:

- Business owners who will soon be able to extract more from their workers (once the rules around the Working Time Directive are ditched);
- Nationalists in Northern Ireland (on the re-establishment of a united Ireland);
- Myriad businesses in the EU (who will pick up the trade that UK businesses are now no longer able to (or willing to) provide);
- 50,000+ new customs officers (some of whom probably wouldn't have jobs if it weren't for Brexit-induced recruitment in this sphere);
- Construction companies involved in building all those lorry parks around the UK.....

Lots of good news stories. Maybe it was a good idea after all?

 

[Bodian]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

Fair comment. But you remain noticeably silent on the actual question asked. Looking forward to your list of those who have actually benefitted??

 

[beorhthelm]

Does anyone know about the Fishing quotas part of the deal ?

I thought that the problems for the Fishing industry were related to the new procedures and rules for exports. Wasn't the reason that the deal was so late in the day down to us insisting on improved fishing quotas ? I've just been reading this which doesn't sound right.

i know a man who does, says the only way fisherman would have got what they wanted would be outright no deal. they have got a substantial uplift of quotas, they wanted more.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Oh, how about this Swedish bird feeder ?

Born in Sweden Window Bird Feeder https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001STQKAQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_X7SaGbQ4KE2KB


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Hurry just one left in stock

 

[WATFORD zero]

Amusing how losing a referendum and a couple of general elections has suddenly radicalised them into Europhiles. But its pleasing to see the sudden interest in SME problems although I can't remember any posts about the endless flow of EU red tape effecting 100% of business (not just exporters) hampering small business growth.

*tut*

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Run a lot of SME's have you



ANYTHING BUT BREXIT, ANYTHING BUT BREXIT, ANYTHING BUT BREXIT

Why didn't you post this as POTG ? I believe I know but you could confirm it for me.

PS, How's the job hunting going ? I understand there may be new opportunities in the areas of customs agents, customs officers, import/export specialists, lorry park attendants etc. Just trying to help

 

[Chicken Run]

Hurry just one left in stock

There were 2 left a minute ago, Hamster has acted quickly!!

Here’s another one https://www.trouva.com/products/bor...MI-9uBpLWg7gIVxrTtCh0_qAGIEAQYASABEgKsnfD_BwE


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