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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


  • Total voters
    1,099








JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Moan moan moan, organise another march, didn't work 1st time but you never know

You would think they would be happier considering most have been talking up a no-deal disaster scenario for 3 years ... especially grim day for Watford Z who has been hoping for a no-deal outcome. Thoughts and prayers to them all at this difficult time :D
 




D

Deleted member 2719

Guest
But you don’t get to make your own rules with no tariffs? If you diverge too much from EU standards then you get hit. Did you overlook this important part of the deal?

Go and raise a glass of the old boy's beer that you drink, to Boris.

This is a positive thread that all should be happy with.
 




banjo

GOSBTS
Oct 25, 2011
13,428
Deep south
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,327
Fair play to BJ for delivering the result of the democratically-held referendum. Anything else would have undermined democracy in this country. No matter what might follow, democracy has finally run its course :clap2:
 


TomandJerry

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2013
12,323
A fantastic result, a free trade deal with no tariffs.

Control of our own laws.

Freedom of movement gone.

Ability to strike deals with other countries world wide.

No European Court of Justice involvement.

Lovely stuff.

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vagabond

Well-known member
May 17, 2019
9,804
Brighton
A deal has been done !

Sad times for those of us very much against Brexit and who consider ourselves part of Europe.

Ah well. At least the NHS will have millions more now. Riiight? That’s what your boy Farage said.
 












Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,263
1. You can't get more frictionless than the Single Market.

2. Longer check-in times when travelling to/from the EU.

3. Driving / pet/ insurance bollocks.

4. A mountain of paperwork and bureaucracy.

5. United Kingdom at risk of break-up.

6. 4 and a half years wasted as we go backwards.
 










Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,327
Wonder if this deal is better or worse or pretty much the same as the May Deal? Has the deal changed much or has parliament just been largely cleared of MPs who were only ever absolutely clear about what they DIDN'T want? Which was just about any deal and every deal
 




vagabond

Well-known member
May 17, 2019
9,804
Brighton
1. You can't get more frictionless than the Single Market.

2. Longer check-in times when travelling to/from the EU.

3. Driving / pet/ insurance bollocks.

4. A mountain of paperwork and bureaucracy.

5. United Kingdom at risk of break-up.

6. 4 and a half years wasted as we go backwards.

And 7. We’ll rejoin Europe in 20 years once the younger generation are in power.
 


disgruntled h blocker

Active member
Oct 16, 2003
819
Ampfield
from https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/15/boris-johnson-pandemic-britain-christmas-covid

Johnson’s technique for dealing with problems is to let them run out of control, building to a point of sufficient crisis that delay is no longer viable. That way the choice becomes perversely easier because there are fewer options left. Wait long enough and there might be only one.

That is how he has dealt with Brexit. He imagines that brinkmanship is a negotiating strategy to wring concessions out of Brussels, but in reality it is just a way to simplify the decision by eliminating options that needed time to develop. He lets procrastination do the heavy lifting. He can then tell himself (and his audience) that the final outcome, while not perfect, is the best available solution. And maybe it is. But only because it is so late in the day and all the better solutions have long since expired.

It is a chaotic way to run anything: leaving it all to the last minute, relying on a critical mass of external pressure to get motivated. As a way of governing in a pandemic it is disastrous because there is no slack time between deadlines. The moment to make the tough choices is always now. The rate at which good options decay is exponential. The virus thrives on indecision. Johnson’s method is effective for one thing, though: it guarantees a sustained pitch of political drama, with the figure of the prime minister lit centre stage. It forces the nation to hang on his word, waiting for him to act, while the consequences of his inaction play out. That bathes him in an aura of power, but it is not leadership.

Rafael Behr is a Guardian columnist
 


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