[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

The Sunday Times reporting that Johnson is " preparing to speak to the nation when talks fail and will blame EU and French intransigence". So, he's getting his retaliation in early as was expected.

It still beggars belief that so many idiots just expect the EU to give us preferential treatment and trade access without contributing or agreeing to any form of juristiction.

So we started with full access and free trade and trust and now we will be left with a load of fish we don't like that we can't sell.

Whatever happens deal or no deal we're still be dealing with Brexit for a long time.

No deal means a return to the table in the New Year in a far weaker position while certain sectors of our economy (some of which have escaped the covid hit) getting hit very hard with permanent damage, and Britain's poorest areas will come off worse.

Europe aside... We have the cutting foreign aid / weakening soft power, the potential to piss off the US administration, the spat with China over HK plus corrosive English exceptionalism. And all this while we experience the 19th biggest economic contraction in the G20. The perfect storm...

We have a choice cave or f**k ourselves even further.

 

[nicko31]

Yes, fishing always very emotive but unrealistic. Remember our poor British fishermen being targeted by the Icelandic navy after we emptied the North Sea of Cod then decided to steal theirs?

Just before the election I was fishing on Worthing Pier and an old couple were going around with Vote Leave leaflets of fishing propaganda. She gave me a leaflet which I quickly read and said " most of this is nonsense" she looked a bit bewildered and pointed to the two Pair Trawlers about 2 miles off Lancing and said " we need to stop them stealing all our fish..... They are taking all our Mackerel!" she looked even more confused when I said that the Pair Trawlers she pointed at were Scottish registered vessels and that they don't trawl for Mackerel 2 miles off Lancing! She called her husband over and I pointed out the errors in their leaflets and they scuttled off pretty quickly.

I love mackerel but us Brits don't like it, we flog 90% of our catch to Europe. Pity that..

 

[Lever]

People like Lever cannot understand that the favourite type of leaving the EU is the one that means leave the EU and the end of membership not remain members. His best version of Brexit and leaving the EU was revoking the decision to leave and remaining instead.
On the plus side we know for evermore who these undemocratic loons are on NSC.

Blimey... why do you make things up to support your argument?
Not much detail on your preferred Brexit then.... just petty insults again.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Blimey... why do you make things up to support your argument?
Not much detail on your preferred Brexit then.... just petty insults again.

To be fair, he's probably the happiest Brexiteer on here. Throughout the whole 4.5 years he's never been able to explain what type of Brexit he wanted and still has no idea what type he's going to get

That of course, is likely to all change in the next day or two

 

[Lincoln Imp]

To be fair, he's probably the happiest Brexiteer on here. Throughout the whole 4.5 years he's never been able to explain what type of Brexit he wanted and still has no idea what type he's going to get

That of course, is likely to all change in the next day or two

Pasta once explained that he, and everyone he knew, voted Leave on the issue of sovereignty. That was their thing. Therefore, if the UK gains a slightly more defined version of sovereignty - nothing like the 19th century version obviously, or even the one of sixty years ago, but something like that which, oh I don't know, Brazil might presently have - then that in itself is enough for complete contentment. He and his friends will be Martha & the Vandellaring all over town. Who knows, possibly even circle jerking.

The point is, we won't be some two-bit vassal state like France. We will almost certainly lose influence, we'll be relatively poorer and, on current trends, less respected. None of that matters to Pasta as much as that increase - notional I'd argue - in sovereignty. Bugger the shutting down of freedoms - he wasn't planning to study, work, live, retire or be ill outside Britain anyway. Bugger any increase in poverty too. He's got enough to keep cash flow issues at bay.

He won!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Pasta once explained that he, and everyone he knew, voted Leave on the issue of sovereignty. That was their thing. Therefore, if the UK gains a slightly more defined version of sovereignty - nothing like the 19th century version obviously, or even the one of sixty years ago, but something like that which, oh I don't know, Brazil might presently have - then that in itself is enough for complete contentment. He and his friends will be Martha & the Vandellaring all over town. Who knows, possibly even circle jerking.

The point is, we won't be some two-bit vassal state like France. We will almost certainly lose influence, we'll be relatively poorer and, on current trends, less respected. None of that matters to Pasta as much as that increase - notional I'd argue - in sovereignty. Bugger the shutting down of freedoms - he wasn't planning to study, work, live, retire or be ill outside Britain anyway. Bugger any increase in poverty too. He's got enough to keep cash flow issues at bay.

He won!

Are you sure about that because, to the best of my knowledge, throughout his 3.5 thousand plus posts on this thread, he has never, ever given his reason for leaving or whether he preferred any type of Brexit whatsoever. In fact, every time he was asked he would avoid the question at all costs and post all sorts of whataboutery and disappearing completely when necessary. It was almost as if, when cornered, he really didn't know himself, other than BREXIT!

I agree that he is a 'winner' and that was all important to him even if he had no idea what he had 'won'. I can't imagine you need a lot of cash flow for a bit of puff and spending all night on the Internet with your porn and 'your boys', but I think even he may be surprised by the impact of a no deal

Oh well, not long to wait now, and he can always console himself that he's a winner. I get the impression he doesn't get that many 'wins' in life

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Are you sure about that because, to the best of my knowledge, throughout his 3.5 thousand plus posts on this thread, he has never, ever given his reason for leaving or whether he preferred any type of Brexit whatsoever. In fact, every time he was asked he would avoid the question at all costs and post all sorts of whataboutery and disappearing completely when necessary. It was almost as if, when cornered, he really didn't know himself, other than BREXIT!

It was long ago, after I suggested that distrust of foreigners was a factor in the referendum result.

 

[Randy McNob]

Every mention of fish makes me laugh. There are more people working for Debenhams than fishermen in this country. Who is protesting and standing up for them?
The fishing rights were sold off in the 90s, so we have very few British fishing fleets now, and those sell their catch to the EU, but won’t be able to after January.
It’s more to do with Rule Britannia ruling the waves, but many don’t understand we only have 12 miles of territorial waters. Anything else is international.

I also find it an odd position to protect such a small and insignificant industry while supporting the policies of a party who have spent generations in power selling off all the major industry companies like our energy, steel, railways, even bridges. But apparantly if you support renationalisation you're a marxist? but surely owning our own utilites and transport is truly taking back control?

Supporting the fisherpeople and protecting their jobs is socialism no?

You can't have it both ways....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I also find it an odd position to protect such a small and insignificant industry while supporting the policies of a party who have spent generations in power selling off all the major industry companies like our energy, steel, railways, even bridges. But apparantly if you support renationalisation you're a marxist? but surely owning our own utilites and transport is truly taking back control?

Supporting the fisherpeople and protecting their jobs is socialism no?

You can't have it both ways....

Ah yes, the utilities like electricity companies sold off to the French & Germans.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Pasta once explained that he, and everyone he knew, voted Leave on the issue of sovereignty. That was their thing. Therefore, if the UK gains a slightly more defined version of sovereignty - nothing like the 19th century version obviously, or even the one of sixty years ago, but something like that which, oh I don't know, Brazil might presently have - then that in itself is enough for complete contentment. He and his friends will be Martha & the Vandellaring all over town. Who knows, possibly even circle jerking.

The point is, we won't be some two-bit vassal state like France. We will almost certainly lose influence, we'll be relatively poorer and, on current trends, less respected. None of that matters to Pasta as much as that increase - notional I'd argue - in sovereignty. Bugger the shutting down of freedoms - he wasn't planning to study, work, live, retire or be ill outside Britain anyway. Bugger any increase in poverty too. He's got enough to keep cash flow issues at bay.

He won!

Not once did he explain how countries had a veto without ‘sovereignty’. Britain had more opt outs than any other members.

 

[vegster]

Ah yes, the utilities like electricity companies sold off to the French & Germans.

And the railway franchises, sold off to French, Spanish, Dutch ,and German companies....the subsidy that used to fund British Rail goes to these companies in order to ensure they make a profit for their foreign investors or state owned rail companies.... oh "sovereignty " , how complicated you can be when we pick and choose ?

 

[vegster]

Not once did he explain how countries had a veto without ‘sovereignty’. Britain had more opt outs than any other members.

That's why we still drive on the left, drink Pints, have a longer working week ( apparently because British workers like to work longer hours ? ) and, still use the Pound . Everything that we never liked the look of or affected our supposed "sovereignty " we opted out of and the EU were happy for this to happen.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

People rummaging around on land fill sites looking for something of worth sums up the losers on here
Regards
DF

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Not once did he explain how countries had a veto without ‘sovereignty’. Britain had more opt outs than any other members.

And of course the little gang of chancers running our country reinforce the lie by continually referring to our sovereignty as though it was some new construction.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

We've left the EU so this is just about a trade deal which leads to increased prosperity ( well a smaller drop in prosperity once the artificial transition construct ends ).

So I find it utterly bizarre that anyone would not want to do this trade deal - which like all other trade deals in history will involve agreeing rules and making a few compromises for the greater win.


Oh well. It looks like Johnson is heading for his "failure of statecraft".

His miserable fail won't be forgotten. Grade F. Could do better.


Putin, on the other hand, A+. His hybrid war assault on our nation has landed a crippling blow. He's even got a Baron of Siberia appointed to the House of Lords. Medals all round for Operation Brexit. Scottish independence next.

 

[Chicken Run]

Quick and genuine question for the remain folk, of the 52% who voted leave, what percentage do you think put their cross on the paper with the only desire being separation from the EU?

 

[Lever]

Quick and genuine question for the remain folk, of the 52% who voted leave, what percentage do you think put their cross on the paper with the only desire being separation from the EU?

Genuine response. You are much more qualified to understand the 'desires' of the 52% who voted Leave. How would you answer your question?

 

[Chicken Run]

Genuine response. You are much more qualified to understand the 'desires' of the 52% who voted Leave. How would you answer your question?

It was a genuine question, aren’t you prepared to answer it?

 

[nicko31]

Quick and genuine question for the remain folk, of the 52% who voted leave, what percentage do you think put their cross on the paper with the only desire being separation from the EU?

Around 85%, will fall further in the new year when the penny finally drops for the lesser informed. Despite everything I still genuinely feel for most of these people, they were sold the impossible dream by a bunch of crooks.

No deal is basically the end of the UK as we know it in its current form. Leavers feel happy to bookmark this post and return to it later, Johnson and Vote Leave has all but destroyed the Union

 

[Lever]

It was a genuine question, aren’t you prepared to answer it?

I don’t know is my answer, what’s yours?