[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

General Election motion to be tabled Monday by the looks of it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm sorry but this is what you said :

"We have a power of veto.
That is why we still use pounds sterling instead of the euro."

So you said we don't use the Euro because of our veto but now you say it's because we had an opt out. I agree with your second reasoning - all members had an opt out - but it doesn't stop the policy. A veto on the other hand prevents the policy going forwards for anyone - it kills it dead.

As for the EU army, strange, remainers kept saying it was a lie that it was coming yet now Merkel and Macron have said it is the logical next step. As has Verhofstadt. So much for the leave lies.

Right to the absolute crux of the Brexit debate, as usual

Read the Withdrawal Agreement Bill yet ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Lots of things have changed. Opinions have changed. The level of available information has changed. The government and Prime Minister have changed. LAWS have changed. And the vote to leave was just the start of the argument - principally among the leave voters themselves, over what they'd actually voted for.

One thing certainly hasn't changed though - you remain an abject simpleton, with no understanding of the process, and nothing to add to any debate.

regards
DF

 

[Giraffe]

Lots of things have changed. Opinions have changed. The level of available information has changed. The government and Prime Minister have changed. LAWS have changed. And the vote to leave was just the start of the argument - principally among the leave voters themselves, over what they'd actually voted for.

One thing certainly hasn't changed though - you remain an abject simpleton, with no understanding of the process, and nothing to add to any debate.

I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed his mind. I have also yet to meet a leaver who didn't vote for no deal. I am very confident that 99% of those that voted leave did so thinking that means we leave with no deal. The clue is in the word "leave".

The good news is it looks like Boris is going to do it. Lovely stuff. Not the perfect no deal leave that most of "our lot" would have wanted but a fair and sensible compromise.

Well done Boris.

 

[Motogull]

Standard poor behavior from ABdPBJ. He will give MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal, conditional upon them agreeing to a 12 December general election. All living former PMs must be shaking their heads in disbelief.

 

[Eeyore]

Standard poor behavior from ABdPBJ. He will give MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal, conditional upon them agreeing to a 12 December general election. All living former PMs must be shaking their heads in disbelief.

Pure political manoeuvre by Cummings and all.

If Labour refuse to buy it the press will have a field day.

Doubtless most will be fooled along though.

 

[daveinplzen]

So....its not like its anything different from previous years/decades.
Good god, we had past masters at it in Major and Blair and Cameron and May had their moments as well. As far back as the 70's, there were years of lies and deceit peddled around to persuade us to join the Common Market. Its what politicians do. DON'T TRUST THEM. They will let you down. Don't take them too seriously. Its a cesspit of half-truths, lies, deceipt and mis-information. Its how it works. There is nothing upfront and straightforward and there are always different agenda's in place, with schemers and strategists behind the scenes pulling and pushing in different directions. Always ask the question...." What is in it for them? "

I thought having our politicians running the country is what leavers wanted.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Standard poor behavior from ABdPBJ. He will give MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal, conditional upon them agreeing to a 12 December general election. All living former PMs must be shaking their heads in disbelief.

What a wanker.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed his mind. I have also yet to meet a leaver who didn't vote for no deal. I am very confident that 99% of those that voted leave did so thinking that means we leave with no deal. The clue is in the word "leave".

The good news is it looks like Boris is going to do it. Lovely stuff. Not the perfect no deal leave that most of "our lot" would have wanted but a fair and sensible compromise.

Well done Boris.

I am one and know many more. Hope that expands your knowledge.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Parliament's Can't Do mentality is breathtaking in its mediocrity. Huge numbers of these people going to be looking for more gainful employment pretty soon

 

[Two Professors]

What a wanker.

Bit harsh.Motogull seems sound.

 

[Two Professors]

Getting close to the final countdown.Which will come first-Watford zero knowledge answering a question,or Brexit?I'm going for Brexit.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed his mind. I have also yet to meet a leaver who didn't vote for no deal. I am very confident that 99% of those that voted leave did so thinking that means we leave with no deal. The clue is in the word "leave".

The good news is it looks like Boris is going to do it. Lovely stuff. Not the perfect no deal leave that most of "our lot" would have wanted but a fair and sensible compromise.

Well done Boris.

You didn't bother reading the Vote Leave manifesto then? Well done.

 

[Ernest]

Parliament's Can't Do mentality is breathtaking in its mediocrity. Huge numbers of these people going to be looking for more gainful employment pretty soon

Is Timmy standing for Kemp Town or Pavilion

 

[vegster]

Parliament's Can't Do mentality is breathtaking in its mediocrity. Huge numbers of these people going to be looking for more gainful employment pretty soon

I think you will find most of the Tories already have well paid directorships and 2 day a month jobs on weighty salaries. Even David " Thick as Mince " Davis ex Brexit Minister is trousering £60k for 20 hours of work A YEAR !

 

[beorhthelm]

I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed his mind. I have also yet to meet a leaver who didn't vote for no deal. I am very confident that 99% of those that voted leave did so thinking that means we leave with no deal. The clue is in the word "leave".

i dont believe that, because at the time of the vote leave was very much sold on there being a deal.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed his mind. I have also yet to meet a leaver who didn't vote for no deal. I am very confident that 99% of those that voted leave did so thinking that means we leave with no deal. The clue is in the word "leave".

The good news is it looks like Boris is going to do it. Lovely stuff. Not the perfect no deal leave that most of "our lot" would have wanted but a fair and sensible compromise.

Well done Boris.

The official campaign was to leave with a deal. The clue is the word 'deal'

I know many people who voted to leave with deal.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Getting close to the final countdown.Which will come first-Watford zero knowledge answering a question,or Brexit?I'm going for Brexit.

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Celebrate all that's good in British culture EH? With Amercan Pringles.!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

There is, but it'll probably be unfortunately after we've left.

The big divide in Brexit isn't young v old or north v south etc - it's academic attainment and everything that brings. Not necessarily wealth, intelligence and success, but life experiences, outlook, attitude, career prospects, opportunities and views on diversity etc it brings. It's certainly not universal, but it is broadly backed up - The places that voted remain in England and the people from them. 70% of benefit claimants voting leave. Nationalist community more likely to vote leave than someone from the Unionist side in Northern Ireland. A 24 year old graduate voting remain v a 74 year old non graduate who voted leave - it's all there. (Most 75 year old's voted leave, but my Dad passed his 11+ and unlike most back then, he went on all the way and.....you guessed it, he voted remain.)

As societal demographics shift and change and a young, informed, politically enthused, better and further educated generation, who will not have the opportunities of their parents - from everything from work prospects, job security, getting on the housing ladder than their predecessors - continue to move onward into their 20's, that leave majority ebbs away and call to rejoin gets louder.

Aside from economic and societal issues, the cause for rejoining will be helped by the fact Brexit is a regressive, nostalgic act, promulgated by the Tories who are a bunch of saddos - In the 21st century, with social media and a new enthused younger generation, policies, parties and politicians who are saddos, will be at a distinct disadvantage. Celebrity endorsement in the 21st century in the digital age will be crucial and when that referendum comes, leave or whatever it's called, will need better, persuasive individuals than the saddos they had in 2016. A will the rejoin side.

Enjoy it if and when it happens (there's been so many date changes it's difficult to keep up) and whenever it does I'm sure it'll be exactly what you think voted for all those years back.

Stunning analysis their sparky .... but I think it's mainly the case people who have prospered and are doing well from the cosy political/economic 'centre ground' consensus are more likely to vote for the status quo whereas people who haven't are more likely to feel its time to change. Not sure how you know 70% of benefit claimants voted to leave, not that it matters and the Nationalist community in NI overwhelmingly voted Remain not Leave as you stated. Despite the camouflage, this once again reeks of the there is only one correct, progressive world view bollox so favoured by those who are appalled that anyone can have a different view and feel inherently superior to the unwashed masses.

Ever thought your heavily biased assumptions about the future might be wrong? What if the future doesn't turn out as you predict and all the projections of doom and gloom prove vastly overstated/completely wrong and there are many opportunities, good work prospects, reasonable job security, improved chances of getting on the housing ladder etc. Will most of the younger generation who believed the voices that said their futures were over and that there is only one successful future path inside the EU trust those same voices now saying we should rejoin? There's also the minor matter of how the EU evolves, the superstate growing pains could prove rather problematic.

I will

 

[vegster]

The official campaign was to leave with a deal. The clue is the word 'deal'

I know many people who voted to leave with deal.

" The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards "