[Politics] Brexit

[birthofanorange]

Seriously, find a better way to spend your time.

ByesB

 

[Ernest]

I wonder how she feels now? Alexander Boris de Piffle bungle**** Johnson resigns from her cabinet because her plan is shite, and is part of the developing process that subsequently broke her and left her in tears yet now he is trying to run the same/very similar plan? I suppose when you have fukk all credibility, this sort of conduct does not register with anyone any more.

What happened to the vassal state

 

[dingodan]

We don't need a second referendum (though I'd like to see one for a laugh to see some gammon heads explode) we need to revoke A50 and forget Brexit. Nobody cared 5 years ago, nobody will care 5 months from now. Okay, a few thicko skin'eds might throw a bin at a copper or set fire to their neighbour's car but they'll soon simmer down.

It's a shame we will never leave the EU in some respects because I'd like the dimwitted leave voters to experience the carnage but luckily for them and us, we ain't going nowhere pal.

Ref - June 2016
October 2019. Still in the EU.

Are you ready to Remain?

 

[The Clamp]

An art dealer toff who went to Harrow has a differing opinion to me. Give a fvck. I’m still correct.

 

[Baldseagull]

I thought Dingodan had answered that -he said yes, once the result of the first vote had been implemented, and thus giving value to the principle of voting. Yes, that may be the case that your average punter might be more aware of what is involved, but be honest, this is really only a tactic to try for another vote, hoping fervently that it will bring about your desired result. Should the vote go for remain, then you are of course consistent, aren't you? You would then back a wait of, say, 6 months to have a third vote, so that prospective leave voters can further assess the (dis)advanatages of EU membership.

A remain result would only be valid for as long as our relationship with the EU did not change significantly. Leaving is only valid for any period of time if it is explicitly agreed to in a referendum, if we go without one, there will be a Brexit party saying it was not what people voted for, a Liberal party saying that most wanted to remain and the Tories will be more split than ever. There will almost certainly be a referendum on the deal and remain will be an option on the ballot. I know your opinion is that leave should happen in whatever form, but don't think that ends this if it is not ratified, the only deal that will shut remainers up for long is a very soft one, the only deal that will shut Farage and co. up is a very hard one, unless whatever happens has been ratified.

 

[Hampster Gull]

An art dealer toff who went to Harrow has a differing opinion to me. Give a fvck. I’m still correct.

Yep. High chance this dance btw the U.K. unelected govt and the EU is just window dressing so they can both tell the electorates that they tried their hardest.

 

[Baldseagull]

The "so be it" may well apply to your good self, and I accept that you are genuine in that respect, if you say so, but I can't help feeling that a second vote resulting in a majority wanting to leave, will be anything but "so be it". Yes, some folk may be better informed, as you suggest, but it would surely just mean that that the same confrontations will occur, just that the pros and cons will be that shade more detailed!

I too would be willing to accept a leave result in a second referendum if it was a well defined choice, but I do also fear that some campaigners will sow further division in an attempt to win it, which may make it difficult to believe people had a fair choice again.

 

[kemptown kid]

The logic of a referendum on an ACTUAL deal (or no deal if that is the best the government can come up with) rather than the hypothetical and often contradictory hopes/pledges of 2016 vs remain is compelling. If the will of the people brigade are so confident they should support this rather than acting as if democracy was a one off opportunity in 2016.
By the way, I am still waiting for some specific examples of how all/some of our lives will be better outside the EU. Brexiteer politicians seem to have stopped trying to address this question and members of the public repeatedly embarrass themselves on radio phone ins, TV, online etc when invited to do so.

 

[The Clamp]

Lots of Leavers claiming in the press and on social media they used to be remainers but now they “can see the mess remainers have made”. You’re fooling nobody. A few of them on here too. ****ing liars and manipulators.

 

[Baldseagull]

I voted remain and am gutted we voted leave. A second referendum should not have remain as an option as the constitutional impact of a narrow remain win and the fact that this will drag this out for another few years is unthinkable. 17.4m people will not just shrug their shoulders and move on.

If there was a people’s vote us should be deal versus a customs union type option. Personally no deal shouldn’t even be an option. That way we honour the first vote while not commiting huge self harm.

Not having remain on the ballot would ensure that there was a rejoin campaign straight away and we waste more years on dealing with our relationship with the EU. [MENTION=25402]Blue Valkyrie[/MENTION] had the idea that a No Deal exit should return us to the position of relations with the EU that we had the day before joining the EU or EEC as was, that would place us in EFTA.

 

[Hastings gull]

Lots of Leavers claiming in the press and on social media they used to be remainers but now they “can see the mess remainers have made”. You’re fooling nobody. A few of them on here too. ****ing liars and manipulators.

Should one take anything you write seriously or even as vaguely correct? Since you resort to abuse so quickly, I can only assume that this is your only way of attracting attention, because, on another thread, you praised Diane Abbott on her elevation in the 70s to becoming an MP, despite prejudice etc, only for it to be pointed out to you that she started in 1987!

 

[The Clamp]

Should one take anything you write seriously or even as vaguely correct? Since you resort to abuse so quickly, I can only assume that this is your only way of attracting attention, because, on another thread, you praised Diane Abbott on her elevation in the 70s to becoming an MP, despite prejudice etc, only for it to be pointed out to you that she started in 1987!

I don’t really give a tinker’s curse what you take seriously.

 

[Hastings gull]

I don’t really give a tinker’s curse what you take seriously.

I certainly don't take you seriously; just find it depressing the way you come along with one-liners invariably involving insults at those who don't share your viewpoint.

 

[The Clamp]

I certainly don't take you seriously; just find it depressing the way you come along with one-liners invariably involving insults at those who don't share your viewpoint.

I can live with that.

 

[Hastings gull]

I can live with that.

I have no doubt of that and sadly on NSC there are a few others like you.

 

[The Clamp]

I have no doubt of that and sadly on NSC there are a few others like you.

If I were you I wouldn’t fret too much about what other people do. That way madness lies.
I was surprised to read that my posts have caused your depression. Maybe take a break from NSC or block me? Mental health is not something to ignore.

 

[pb21]

Johnson said May's deal would make Britain a 'vassal state' and May said 'no British prime minister' could agree to a border in the Irish Sea and break up our family of nations in our precious union, but it looks as if that's what Johnson is proposing.

Meanwhile both No.1 and No.2 in E.R.G. have seemingly gone to ground and are eerily silent..................

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It will be interesting to see how May votes on such a proposal, if it makes it that far.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No form of brexit is acceptable. All remainers think that.

Oh dear Plooks …. wrong as usual. There have been a number of remainers even on this thread that have stated they accept we should leave. The only question is in what way.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Should one take anything you write seriously or even as vaguely correct? Since you resort to abuse so quickly, I can only assume that this is your only way of attracting attention, because, on another thread, you praised Diane Abbott on her elevation in the 70s to becoming an MP, despite prejudice etc, only for it to be pointed out to you that she started in 1987!

Shows himself up time and time again ,painfully zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If I were you I wouldn’t fret too much about what other people do. That way madness lies.
I was surprised to read that my posts have caused your depression. Maybe take a break from NSC or block me? Mental health is not something to ignore.

Time for meds
Regards
DF