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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
dingodan said:
No sure if you've heard but the results of the Brexit ref are in. Leave won.

None of the above can only mean No Deal.

I mean you could try to overturn Brexit, but supporters of Brexit would simply try to reinstitute it at the earliest opportunity. You could hold another ref, and remain could win. But the result wouldn't matter, because results of refs would no longer matter.

In reality the only options are this deal (sorry, proposal), no deal or a perpetual (political) war forever, likely result at least in part and at some point, in a hard line right wing insurgency at a future election, as has happened elsewhere in europe. I think we should try to avoid that if we can.
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This proposal is not an option because it leaves a question unanswered, what happens if the N.I. assembly ends the backstop arrangements? It is can kicking to some extent, and has the potential to allow a return to violence in Ireland, what the backstop is there to avoid.

Mays deal or a softer Brexit are the leave choices. If leaving without a deal returns us to our state of relations with the EU on the day before we joined, we would be back in EFTA, does that suit you?
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
dingodan said:
According to YouGov the difference between support or oppose no deal on 4th September was about 6%. & The question never asked whether, if it was no deal or remain what would they choose.

44% had said they opposed No Deal, but it would be reasonable to assume that some of those would be leavers who would chose no deal over remain despite their opposition to no deal.

38% had said they support No Deal, none of those would chose Remain over No Deal, since they support no deal.

It would take a proportion equal to 3%+ of those who said they oppose No Deal to also feel that they would prefer No Deal to No Brexit to mean that actually more people support No Deal than oppose it.

Since not every leave voter would have said that they support No Deal, but every remain supporter would have said that they oppose No Deal, then there is a very good chance, actually, that more people support No Deal than oppose it.
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Some remainers, the heartless ones fancy no deal if we can't remain, to show people that think the EU needs us more than we need them how wrong they are. It is also the quickest route to rejoining, a nice cosy Brexit Norway +++ would leave people feeling it was ok being out. Chaos and no trade deals with US if we put Ireland in the shit will see the Brexiters bullshit exposed.
 




Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Baldseagull said:
Some remainers, the heartless ones fancy no deal if we can't remain, to show people that think the EU needs us more than we need them how wrong they are. It is also the quickest route to rejoining, a nice cosy Brexit Norway +++ would leave people feeling it was ok being out. Chaos and no trade deals with US if we put Ireland in the shit will see the Brexiters bullshit exposed.
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There is a lot of merit in showing the "no deal cheerleaders" first hand the disaster that they are championing.

As you say, it is probably the fastest ( and possibly only ) route to rejoining the EU.
 








pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,687
Mellotron said:
Johnson spotted digging a ditch.
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What's interesting is that the betting odds/chances of leaving with or without a deal on 31st October have been constantly around 25%+ for the last week or so. Even after the Johnson Brexit plan was announced, this made no significant difference.

Now these court papers come out and the betting odds/chances plummet to 20%.
 








dingodan

dingodan

New member
Feb 16, 2011
10,080
hans kraay fan club said:
They promised to respect the the result - of a vote - in which the leave campaign made clear that what people were voting for was to leave ‘with a deal’, ‘an orderly exit’, etc. In fact it was promised that A50 would only be triggered AFTER an agreement had been reached.

Do you have a list of which promises ‘count’?
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Those weren't promises exactly, they were said to be what would obviously happen. Assuming everyone was going to be reasonable, play fair and accept the result. The fact that they have decided not to do that changes nothing, the only reason they have decided not to do it is because they think it might change something. It changes nothing.
 














Grombleton

Grombleton

Surrounded by <div>s
Dec 31, 2011
7,356
Pretty pink fairy said:
yes that's right, up to the 31st of October then we leave
regards
DF
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...so you think he will ask for an extension until the 31st, then leave anyway?

I mean, we try to give people the benefit of the doubt but you really are thick.
 








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