[Politics] Brexit

[Deportivo Seagull]

No you're still wrong and you still need to calm down. History has taught us plenty and trying to compare a British politician to Hitler, whoever they may be is just ridiculous.

I’m not comparing Boris to hitler, only the tactics. From a political point of view it’s a master piece but not the sort of thing you’d expect to see in a democracy. It would be interesting to see your view on this if you weren’t a brexiteer.


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[Sussex Nomad]

I’m not comparing Boris to hitler, only the tactics. From a political point of view it’s a master piece but not the sort of thing you’d expect to see in a democracy. It would be interesting to see your view on this if you weren’t a brexiteer.

You wouldn't expect MPs, elected by the people to represent them in Parliament to vote against their wishes either, but that's life.

 

[Pevenseagull]

anyone in favour of this shit storm who isn't a thick ****?


asking for a country.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

You wouldn't expect MPs, elected by the people to represent them in Parliament to vote against their wishes either, but that's life.

Actually ‘thats democracy’ ........


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[Sussex Nomad]

Actually ‘thats democracy’ ........

Voting against their constituents is democracy? Thanks for that, had a crap day, you just cheered me up.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Voting against their constituents is democracy? Thanks for that, had a crap day, you just cheered me up.

Taking your argument further that would mean following a general election all MP’s would follow party lines and never vote against the whip. This clearly doesn’t happen but seems have worked well since Cromwell’s time.


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[Sussex Nomad]

Taking your argument further that would mean following a general election all MP’s would follow party lines and never vote against the whip. This clearly doesn’t happen but seems have worked well since Cromwell’s time.

No please, you need not reply to me any more, you have done your bit for which I am very grateful

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

No, in the last GE 82.4% of people voted for a party that said it would deliver Brexit.

I said that 54% of the electorate voted for remain or a soft Brexit. Labour’s manifesto rejected no deal’ as a viable option. Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that at the EU elections the majority of electorate voted in favour of remain parties.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

BG's last sentence is true though.

But it's not just remainer MPs. The ERG are not remainers

 

[pb21]

Voting against their constituents is democracy? Thanks for that, had a crap day, you just cheered me up.

When have MPs as whole/parliament, voted to remain in the EU, rather than leave, and therefore go against the 2016 wish of constituents?

I don't think this has ever happened, although I am happy to be enlightened.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

You said it
Regards
DF

And there you are, the person still thick enough.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

When have MPs as whole/parliament, voted to remain in the EU, rather than leave, and therefore go against the 2016 wish of constituents?

I don't think this has ever happened, although I am happy to be enlightened.

We can all act stupid when we can all see quite clearly that they are stopping Brexit. By refusing anything pushed in front of their troughs and to enable their own agenda they have voted down a leave date for 3 years. Time to push them aside and allow the British vote to become part of our law.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You keep referring to Theresa May's remain government which is nonsense. Her own QC admitted in the High Court that she knew about the corruption going on, but still persued the Brexit deal. If the referendum had been binding, it would have been annulled, but because it was only advisory, she ignored it, and pushed her own deal through.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...inding-government-lawyers-admit-a7464276.html

Apologies I cannot make out the point you are making. How does that article contradict the view that Theresa May and Philip Hammond voted Remain and as the senior politicians in that Government were never committed to delivering Leave ? They simply accepted every EU pre condition for negotiation and so now we are where we are.
Your link seems to be about who should have triggered Article 50 in the courts, government or parliament. I didn’t see anything about corruption although I did have trouble opening all of it on my phone so I am happy for you to point me to the relevant bit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Apologies I cannot make out the point you are making. How does that article contradict the view that Theresa May and Philip Hammond voted Remain ? They were the senior politicians in that Government.
Your link seems to be about who should have triggered Article 50 is the courts, government or parliament. I didn’t see anything about corruption although I did have trouble opening all of it on my phone so I am happy for you to point me to the relevant bit.

Yes, it is and I've attached the wrong article. I'll try and find the one from February 2019.

I'm still shattered from going to Bristol last night.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not true, assuming you’re referring to the EU elections. Support for pro-remain parties eclipsed pro-leave parties, despite the Brexit party’s overall victory

I was referring to the same election you were, the 2017 general election where over 80% of the electorate voted for pro-Leave parties. Funnily enough, the BBC has had to correct their inaccurate graph supposedly showing Remain parties eclipsing Leave parties during the EU elections ...

Inaccurate

Accurate

https://pressgazette.co.uk/bbcs-eu-...xit-parties-was-lapse-of-editorial-standards/

 

[pb21]

We can all act stupid when we can all see quite clearly that they are stopping Brexit. By refusing anything pushed in front of their troughs and to enable their own agenda they have voted down a leave date for 3 years. Time to push them aside and allow the British vote to become part of our law.

So, MPs haven't voted against the 2016 wish of constituents to leave the EU, and instead to remian.

What they have been doing is following the democratic process to ensure that the end result is robust and not shoddily reached.

It is not clear what the exact wish of the electorate is with regard to Brexit, it is not for the Government of the day to decide and then expect Parliament to not scrutinise and the opposition to not oppose.

To paraphrase [MENTION=603]Deportivo Seagull[/MENTION] this is democracy.

If you don't like that fine, but don't get all sanctimonious about it, possibly move to Russia, the democracy there may suit you better.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes, it is and I've attached the wrong article. I'll try and find the one from February 2019.

I'm still shattered from going to Bristol last night.

No worries at all.

 

[yxee]

I still don't understand how we will avoid a hard border in Ireland without keeping NI in the customs union. Deal, no deal, is all kicking the can down the road. Do the pro-Brexit voters have a preference on this?

We would be out by now without this sticking point.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So, MPs haven't voted against the 2016 wish of constituents to leave the EU, and instead to remian.

What they have been doing is following the democratic process to ensure that the end result is robust and not shoddily reached.

It is not clear what the exact wish of the electorate is with regard to Brexit, it is not for the Government of the day to decide and then expect Parliament to not scrutinise and the opposition to not oppose.

To paraphrase [MENTION=603]Deportivo Seagull[/MENTION] this is democracy.

If you don't like that fine, but don't get all sanctimonious about it, possibly move to Russia, the democracy there may suit you better.

I remember why I don't read this thread. Sanctimonious my friend, is people that do not accept democracy and the fact WE WILL leave whether you like it or not.

 

[A1X]

So you're happy with everything that is happening right now and support Johnson in his actions? Fine. Let's workshop this.

The UK has had a referendum and voted to join the Single Market. The Single Market campaign had basically outlined EFTA as what would happen. Suddenly, on the verge of it happening, new Prime Minister Anna Soubry has decreed that actually what people voted for was full EU membership including the Euro and Schengen, we'll be joining on 31st October and she's shutting down Parliament to prevent them doing anything to row back from that position.

You cool with that?