[Politics] Brexit

[Gwylan]

What parties were they split between? Brexit Party won seats on a solid platform. Remain were split between Lib Dem, Greens and Labour. Where did Brexit people split their vote?

Solid platform? "Two thirds (67%) of Brexit Party voters said the best outcome from the Brexit process would be for the UK to leave he EU without a deal. A further 23% wanted to leave with a deal different from the one negotiated by Theresa May. "
If Brexiteers voting for the Brexit Party can't agree, you can see why there's confusion.

Absolute slur on normal working people going about their normal life and not liking who you like. You should be totally ashamed of yourself. Sort of sh*t you'd expect from some that cannot accept a defeat.

What defeat?
OK, how do you explain it then. How can people decide to vote for a party that didn't exist unless it was a personal vote for Farage?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

You’re right.

The only way this doesn’t pan out is if the Tories steam roller a hard Brexit to pander to the extremists and to their long term detriment. We are not a far right country

Why are people that want to leave the EU extremist? What is actually your take on that? This is a cross idealism, whether left or right or centre and has absolutely NOTHING to do with extremism.

 

[Lever]

Dumlum: 'I also think taking no deal off the table lacks common sense in negotiations and now makes it more likely'.

But surely it only works as a bargaining strategy if you don't reveal to everyone that you are using it as a strategy?

 

[Knocky's Nose]

What are these companies going bust as a direct result of something that hasn’t happened yet?

I take it you don't read the news, but here's one of the 7,220,000 results I got when I typed "companies going bust due to brexit" into Google..

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-administration-reach-five-year-peak-brexit

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Solid platform? "Two thirds (67%) of Brexit Party voters said the best outcome from the Brexit process would be for the UK to leave he EU without a deal. A further 23% wanted to leave with a deal different from the one negotiated by Theresa May. "
If Brexiteers voting for the Brexit Party can't agree, you can see why there's confusion.



What defeat?
OK, how do you explain it then. How can people decide to vote for a party that didn't exist unless it was a personal vote for Farage?

What is your problem? There was no split in the Brexit vote, they voted for the Brexit party, they want Brexit, why do you simpletons clutch at straws?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Why are people that want to leave the EU extremist? What is actually your take on that? This is a cross idealism, whether left or right or centre and has absolutely NOTHING to do with extremism.

I didn’t say that. I talked about a hard Brexit, ie no deal. That is an extremist view. Ive never come across a cross idealism but you’re welcome to whatever it is

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I didn’t say that. I talked about a hard Brexit, ie no deal. That is an extremist view. Ive never come across a cross idealism but you’re welcome to whatever it is

Why is it extremist to have a no deal? Because you decided that?

 

[Knocky's Nose]

What is your problem? There was no split in the Brexit vote, they voted for the Brexit party, they want Brexit, why do you simpletons clutch at straws?

Will you not even concede that, at the point of voting, the public were ill informed?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Why is it extremist to have a no deal? Because you decided that?

For example It wasn’t what was proposed by brexiteers during the referendum, it was all about how easy a new deal would be, the simplest ever because we have the same rules as the Eu. Northern Ireland, simple, no need for borders. These and others have been proven to be so simplistic and so very, well, wrong.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Will you not even concede that, at the point of voting, the public were ill informed?

Nobody asked me so I didn't reply. Yes it was ill informed, to a point of hysteria. But, it really is a huge point, we voted, we made a decision, and to go back on that will have huge implications in this country and it has to be seen to be done.

 

[Mtoto]

The ramifications is the lack of Government to see through the people's vote. They never expected to lose and now we have 650 people doing our bidding for the country, and let's face it, they can't. Thick and clueless.

No, "ramifications" in this context refers to the necessary compromises and costs to effect an orderly withdrawal, bearing in mind that - as opposed to the lie that was spun during the campaign - we need them a lot more than they need us. If we crash out on 31 October, we will be a relatively small economy attempting to trade on (really sh*tty) WTO terms - and even that's not guaranteed - sat right next door to an economy that's eight times bigger and has suitably favourable trading terms with everyone they need.

The EU side is well aware of this - as, presumably, were you when you voted to Leave. Or did you really think it would just be a case of us telling them what we wanted, and them saying "right you are, mate"?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

For example It wasn’t what was proposed by brexiteers during the referendum, it was all about how easy a new deal would be, the simplest ever because we have the same rules as the Eu. Northern Ireland, simple, no need for borders. These and others have been proven to be so simplistic and so very, well, wrong.

It's easy to bolt the door when the horse has done a runner, remainers didn't do their homework. They were arrogant.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

No, "ramifications" in this context refers to the necessary compromises and costs to effect an orderly withdrawal, bearing in mind that - as opposed to the lie that was spun during the campaign - we need them a lot more than they need us. If we crash out on 31 October, we will be a relatively small economy attempting to trade on (really sh*tty) WTO terms - and even that's not guaranteed - sat right next door to an economy that's eight times bigger and has suitably favourable trading terms with everyone they need.

The EU side is well aware of this - as, presumably, were you when you voted to Leave. Or did you really think it would just be a case of us telling them what we wanted, and them saying "right you are, mate"?

The fact I find remainers unbelievably arrogant and wrong is because they accept I am a Brexiteer, because I don't accept their idea of non democracy. Have you ever thought to yourself I am actually a supporter of democracy?

 

[Hampster Gull]

It's easy to bolt the door when the horse has done a runner, remainers didn't do their homework. They were arrogant.

There are many in our society that have two chips on their shoulders and, well, always will.

The horse hasn't gone anywhere yet

 

[Sussex Nomad]

There are many in our society that have two chips on their shoulders and, well, always will.

The horse hasn't gone anywhere yet

Brexiteers are all racist, Remainers are non democratic, it's a huge chasm we live in.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

Nobody asked me so I didn't reply. Yes it was ill informed, to a point of hysteria. But, it really is a huge point, we voted, we made a decision, and to go back on that will have huge implications in this country and it has to be seen to be done.

So, you've just admitted that the voting public didn't have a bloody clue what they were really voting for - but even though they were utterly clueless at the time they have to stand by the vote they made - even though they now say they would vote differently now they know the facts?

In conclusion you're saying it's okay to make decision based on utter rubbish you've been told - and how very dare you ask to change your mind once you know the truth?

Personally, I'm not a hard and fast 'Brexiteer' or a 'Remainer'.. I'd merrily accept 'Leave' if it was fair. However, it wasn't! The public were blindfolded, spun around ten times, then asked to vote. That, my friends, is a big bag of bollocks.

 

[Lever]

Nobody asked me so I didn't reply. Yes it was ill informed, to a point of hysteria. But, it really is a huge point, we voted, we made a decision, and to go back on that will have huge implications in this country and it has to be seen to be done.

Sorry but I have to ask:
If we accept your logic that democracy demands we cannot reverse or even revisit a vote that was 'ill informed to the point of hysteria' what do you think can be done to 'honour' the outcome of that 'ill informed', 'hysterical' referendum?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Brexiteers are all racist, Remainers are non democratic, it's a huge chasm we live in.

Indeed. I hope and doubt either of us really believes that

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So, you've just admitted that the voting public didn't have a bloody clue what they were really voting for - but even though they were utterly clueless at the time they have to stand by the vote they made - even though they now say they would vote differently now they know the facts?.

Not once have I accused the voting public as being a big bunch of idiots, lead down the garden path. You obviously think they are. Says more about you than them. If Remain had won you'd be calling them all intellectuals, no doubt.

In conclusion you're saying it's okay to make decision based on utter rubbish you've been told - and how very dare you ask to change your mind once you know the truth?

In conclusion, people make up their own minds based on what they are faced with. If that makes you feel threatened that more people disagreed with you, that is more a reflection on you.

Personally, I'm not a hard and fast 'Brexiteer' or a 'Remainer'.. I'd merrily accept 'Leave' if it was fair. However, it wasn't! The public were blindfolded, spun around ten times, then asked to vote. That, my friends, is a big bag of bollocks.

Personally I couldn't give a horses crap which way it went, but if Brexit wins, we do Brexit. I do, however, care dearly about our democracy. And if this were ever overturned I would lose all faith in our governance.

 

[Juan Albion]

I do, however, care dearly about our democracy. And if this were ever overturned I would lose all faith in our governance.

So you would be okay with more democracy, like a second referendum?