[Politics] Brexit

[daveinprague]

So, out means out. Then what? As the Government doesnt seem to know what the future holds, it could be up to the NSC brexiteers to let the country know whats going to happen.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So, out means out. Then what? As the Government doesnt seem to know what the future holds, it could be up to the NSC brexiteers to let the country know whats going to happen.

[MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] knows exactly what he voted for. Ask him.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I didnt realise the referral to the police had already resulted in a conclusion of their investigation and resulted in a conviction considering the accused side are/were seeking legal representation on the decision.
Do you have the link?

That's for the corruption. The Electoral Commission has investigate both sides and the only one who broke electoral law was VoteLeave.
The police will decide, with the CPS, whether the corruption constitutes criminal charges. That would result in prison sentences, if convicted.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well this one resigned within hours of being rumbled.

Resigned but I call it cowardly running away.

 

[Baker lite]

Resigned but I call it cowardly running away.

A true mark of the Man.

 

[larus]

I can't accept cheating liars who broke the law.

What about the report by MPs on a select committee what criticised the government and the £9m spent on the leaflet which it said was supporting remain and was wrong? This was a cross-part committee BTW.

This £9m dwarfs the suggested £750k supposedly overspent by the Leave side. No doubt in your mind that's acceptable though, as it was on your side.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What about the report by MPs on a select committee what criticised the government and the £9m spent on the leaflet which it said was supporting remain and was wrong? This was a cross-part committee BTW.

This £9m dwarfs the suggested £750k supposedly overspent by the Leave side. No doubt in your mind that's acceptable though, as it was on your side.

How’s life? Still “cushty”?

 

[golddene]

Probably because I didn’t go to University and don’t really deserve a vote,I didn’t really know what I was voting for you see...sorry.

Many a true word spoken in jest?

 

[larus]

How’s life? Still “cushty”?

Yes it is thanks for asking. Hope all is good with you too.

Genuine question. What do you attribute the huge drop-off in France/German quarterly GDP growth to from the last 2 quarters of 2017 to the first 2 in 2018?

If this is sustained then we could quite soon see the UK quarterly growth exceed the EU. That will make all of the claims that what the UK experienced (i.e. the slight drop-off in GDP growth) all linked to Brexit completely bogus. Also, monetary policy is more expansionary in Euro countries too as well as running QE.

Interesting eh!

 

[Hamilton]

Yes it is thanks for asking. Hope all is good with you too.

Genuine question. What do you attribute the huge drop-off in France/German quarterly GDP growth to from the last 2 quarters of 2017 to the first 2 in 2018?

If this is sustained then we could quite soon see the UK quarterly growth exceed the EU. That will make all of the claims that what the UK experienced (i.e. the slight drop-off in GDP growth) all linked to Brexit completely bogus. Also, monetary policy is more expansionary in Euro countries too as well as running QE.

Interesting eh!

Nothing like a race to the bottom eh?

So your argument is basically along the lines of 'the UK growth may be terrible, but look at the Germans, their growth isn't as strong as they thought. Jeez.

Still, the UK lags behind at 1.7 I think it is last year, whilst Germany is at 2.4. Meanwhile, this year we're next to flat.

Whatever happens, we are going to Brexit and we need to get on with it. A shame we couldn't listen to the advice of this man and have a second referendum:

“You could have two referendums and, as it happens, it may be more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.” Jacob Rees Mogg

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes it is thanks for asking. Hope all is good with you too.

Genuine question. What do you attribute the huge drop-off in France/German quarterly GDP growth to from the last 2 quarters of 2017 to the first 2 in 2018?

If this is sustained then we could quite soon see the UK quarterly growth exceed the EU. That will make all of the claims that what the UK experienced (i.e. the slight drop-off in GDP growth) all linked to Brexit completely bogus. Also, monetary policy is more expansionary in Euro countries too as well as running QE.

Interesting eh!

Where did you get your German figures from? Can you show me ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes it is thanks for asking. Hope all is good with you too.

Genuine question. What do you attribute the huge drop-off in France/German quarterly GDP growth to from the last 2 quarters of 2017 to the first 2 in 2018?

If this is sustained then we could quite soon see the UK quarterly growth exceed the EU. That will make all of the claims that what the UK experienced (i.e. the slight drop-off in GDP growth) all linked to Brexit completely bogus. Also, monetary policy is more expansionary in Euro countries too as well as running QE.

Interesting eh!

Stage 1

 

[larus]

Sorry, meant as a reply to [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

UK GDP Growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth

German GDP Growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth

French
https://tradingeconomics.com/france/gdp-growth

Italian
https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth

As you can see, both France and Germany have had a dramatic drop over 6 months.

My point is that remainers like to portray the drop in the UK as a result of Brexit, the whole Brexit and nothing but the Brexit. When some of us try to point out that this is simplistic we get ridiculed. The facts are clear, there are many things which impact GDP growth, as is quite clear in the decline in the major economies of the EU.

 

[larus]

Stage 1

Mr Megaphone can’t answer the question I see. Maybe too high-level for you!

Let’s start with something easier. Why do central banks (usually) raise and lower interest rates? Bear in mind that the UK has increased and the EU is still running QE

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sorry, meant as a reply to [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

UK GDP Growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth

German GDP Growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth

French
https://tradingeconomics.com/france/gdp-growth

Italian
https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth

As you can see, both France and Germany have had a dramatic drop over 6 months.

My point is that remainers like to portray the drop in the UK as a result of Brexit, the whole Brexit and nothing but the Brexit. When some of us try to point out that this is simplistic we get ridiculed. The facts are clear, there are many things which impact GDP growth, as is quite clear in the decline in the major economies of the EU.

Good question. Re Germany I personally have no idea, I just asked someone who suggested this particular winter might have caused it as very cold winters mean construction slows/stops. But as your link says “Still, it marked the 15th straight quarter of growth, making this Germany's longest upswing since 1991” it’s not panic stations just yet.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I've come up with a solution to our collective problem.


Leave = whatever you want it to mean


Brexit = whatever you want it to mean


Out = whatever you want it to mean


Frictionless trade = whatever you want it to mean


If we all adopt this approach (and these are strict definitions) we will all always be right and we won't have to argue any more. In fact we'll be one big happy family (whatever that means).

 

[Two Professors]

I've come up with a solution to our collective problem.


Leave = whatever you want it to mean


Brexit = whatever you want it to mean


Out = whatever you want it to mean


Frictionless trade = whatever you want it to mean


If we all adopt this approach (and these are strict definitions) we will all always be right and we won't have to argue any more. In fact we'll be one big happy family (whatever that means).

TOGETHER

 

[larus]

Good question. Re Germany I personally have no idea, I just asked someone who suggested this particular winter might have caused it as very cold winters mean construction slows/stops. But as your link says “Still, it marked the 15th straight quarter of growth, making this Germany's longest upswing since 1991” it’s not panic stations just yet.

Again, genuinely not trying to be confrontational, but when leavers made the same comments about UK GDP growth being impacted by the hard winter, there was the usual piss-take from remainers. Can you see the double standard here?

I'm not saying it's anything to worry about; my point is that the assertion that the slight softening of UK growth in Q1 was proof of the impact of Brexit is clearly a guess and not factual. The preliminary forecasts of Q2 growth are expected to be 0.4 - 0.5% so better.

 

[Giraffe]

More nonsense from the BBC - Project Fear 2 is well under way, with the headquarters at the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45113862

 

[daveinprague]

If the Pound has fallen lower against the dollar and euro, then isnt it Project Fact?