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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Really? There's no ferry terminal at Folkestone - hasn't been for years. As The Port of Dover though is our largest cross channel port handling over 2m lorries a year, my focus, or obsession as you put it, is shared by others - The FTA, The RHA, HMRC, industries reliant on the JIT supply chain etc. I appreciate they could all just be deemed to be 'experts' though, so I understand your caution here on the up to 6 days delay statement. I also see no infrastructure developments afoot in or around the other ports you mention to spread the load, but I do appreciate your overall ignorance here - Turkey has a Customs Union arrangement with The EU that some think may solve all these technicalities for us - the delays there can be even worse than those already mentioned in Norway and Switzerland due to customs clearance though.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Can't see Newhaven taking on much of the load, the ferry crossing is slow and there is not the infrastructure to cope with the customs checks. Also the only 3 ways out of Newhaven would involve lots more lorries rumbling through Seaford or Peacehaven or up to the A27 Lewes - Polegate stretch. So, no chance.
Evidence from a UBS survey of employers. They might not have gone yet but plans are in place. Smashing. These are firms from the Eurozone so showing how easy it is for foreign owned firms to move.
I am sure this will also be dismissed as every firm is but there you go.
https://twitter.com/peter_tl/status/1011531361264513024
I am sure this will also be dismissed as every firm is but there you go.
https://twitter.com/peter_tl/status/1011531361264513024
The Merry Prankster
Pactum serva
Again, as a leaver, I say, this makes no sense. They cannot and will not be able to do that to any significant degree. It is surely time that we addressed the very real problems there are. There are either solutions to problems or there aren't and we will suffer until there are but the continual denial of problems or fanciful (fantasy) solutions does no good at all.
I'm not for one second suggesting it's that simple. Nor have I, as a leaver, ever denied there are problems. But you have highlighted something - we have some leaver posters virtually denying any problems and some remain posters who think none of the problems are solvable ( or that we might be able to live with them ). Reality is somewhere in the middle, some problems will be resolved, some problems will be tolerated and some problems won't be solved. The problem being that you won't get any of the rabid extremists on both sides to admit it.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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13 billion POUNDS going straight in the basket" no deal is better than a bad deal" who are the unlucky EU members picking up the tab 
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DR
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
13 billion POUNDS going straight in the basket" no deal is better than a bad deal" who are the unlucky EU members picking up the tab
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DR
The EU will not agree to a No Deal. This is like a divorce and won't go through unless both sides agree to a deal.
I'm not sure they can prevent a no deal. If, and I'll accept it is a massive if, the government walk away from the discussions then it will be no deal - how can the EU stop us doing that ?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I agree there could be solutions, but the current crop of politicians haven't got a clue. We do need some people in charge who know what they're doing and I don't trust this government as far as I could throw them.
Then there are WTO rules to consider which is what the NI border and Gibraltar are all about.
It's a mess, and all self inflicted.
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
We will go into a Transition period of being neither flesh nor fowl.
https://www.ft.com/content/bf426dba-1b08-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6
- Jul 10, 2003
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This is a very fair summary of the situation and I don't see that with 9 months to go, we have progressed any of them over the last 2 years
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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the EU you can take a run and jump THE UK CALLS THE SHOT, WE'RE THE ONE'S LEAVING , marching all together
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Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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no deal thenThis is a very fair summary of the situation and I don't see that with 9 months to go, we have progressed any of them over the last 2 years
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
You sound like a Leeds fan. Marching On together....
- Jul 10, 2003
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If we walk away it will not be a 'no deal'.
In order to get a 'no deal' we will have to implement WTO rules and Tariffs. This would take billions of pounds and extremely long timescales in order to put in place the infrastructure for a 'no deal'.
If nothing is in place to do this (No borders in Ireland, no customs posts, no systems for managing WTO rules and tariffs, lorry parks, staffing, IT systems) then we would really be in 'Project Fear' territory. Realistically, with no method of importing or exporting goods in place, what do you think will happen at every port, airport, NI border, within hours of midnight ?
The EU will get no benefit from seeing us go into some sort of economic meltdown, so there will be an extension on far worse terms. And with 9 months to go, that is the only thing that can possibly happen, unless you know different. There is only so far you can kick cans down the road until they all end up in a big heap
And, I have to say, I would expect this from others on here, but i'm surprised that you suggested it. Maybe you've just had a long day
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Garry Nelson's teacher
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As a Remainer I think you've made a valid point. Some things will be sorted, some things won't. But if we weren't leaving, none of these things would need sorting. So it's not really a 'half-way' position, perhaps? Anyway, I get your drift and from where we are (which of course I think is the wrong place to be) a pragmatic approach might be the best course to take. (The trouble is that for some of the hard-line leavers, 'pragmatic' is something of a dirty word and means 'sell-out'.)
- Jul 10, 2003
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It appears I have been wrong and should correct any misunderstanding immediately.
I said that if we adopted WTO rules and tariffs we would join Mauritania as the only 2 countries in the WTO with no preferential trading deals.
It appears I was mistaken and Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States. As a result, it now has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members.
So it would only be us with no trade deals
I said that if we adopted WTO rules and tariffs we would join Mauritania as the only 2 countries in the WTO with no preferential trading deals.
It appears I was mistaken and Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States. As a result, it now has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members.
So it would only be us with no trade deals