[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

So there we have it. When a Remain supporter feels it worth battling on he is a moaning, wingeing loser who can't accept (whatever that means) he has lost. When he doesn't he's a towel-throwing surrender monkey.

PS Out of interest, what was it he said/did that you found deeply obnoxious?

I would imagine his disgusting antics on the Thames would give pause for thought to even the most rabid europhile,although,perhaps not.

 

[daveinprague]

Well done!Due regard for the safety of navigation means following instructions from air traffic control,as police helicopters,customs,and military flights always do.

Yeah.. thank goodness military aircraft dont have their own air traffic controls across all the NATO countries.. I wonder why nobody has thought of that.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I wonder what the response of the vast majority of people calling for a second referendum now would have been to Sir Nigels 'another referendum asap' campaign if Remain had won. I'm guessing derision. At the very least he would be condemned for not respecting the democratic will of the people .. rightly so.

Remainers knew, all along, what they were voting for.

The governement still don't know what Brexit looks like.

Big difference.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I wonder what the response of the vast majority of people calling for a second referendum now would have been to Sir Nigels 'another referendum asap' campaign if Remain had won. I'm guessing derision. At the very least he would be condemned for not respecting the democratic will of the people .. rightly so.

Well it's very easy for you to say that now.

But, given that you just did, is it fair to assume that if the normal, centuries old democratic processes of this country - the ones involving parliament - lead to a much softer (deluted, unreal, fake... your choice of adjective) Brexit than the one you wish for you will 'condemn' anyone who objects? Or is the referendum just gone the only sort of democracy you're willing to accept at the moment?

 

[chip]

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...-prices-set-to-soar-as-hard-brexit-approaches

So imports of carrots, onions, potatoes [sic], cheddar, bacon and butter will be levied under WTO rules increasing their costs to consumers. As I don't purchase any of these imports this is not a problem for me. In fact, this could be good news for UK producers and more environmentally friendly. CAP and EU tarriffs already inflate prices and do little for food quality. We might even use the opportunity to develop more favourable terms with African producers and real trade-not-aid. I would expect a short-term rise in food prices while we seek better terms with other countries. Bit of a non-story this one.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/english-channel-freight-volumes-in-first-half-of/13310/

 

[ManOfSussex]

http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/english-channel-freight-volumes-in-first-half-of/13310/

Great. What happens to The Port of Dover and the county of Kent if no customs union deal is reached post-Brexit with all that freight?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Is that your response to [MENTION=12947]Lincoln Imp[/MENTION] or are they new quotes attributed to David Davis at Michel Barnier at all?

Given Barnier seems very well organized, has a plan and is coherent..I was thinking it might be aimed at Davis?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Given Barnier seems very well organized, has a plan and is coherent..I was thinking it might be aimed at Davis?

As David Davis would say - probably.

 

[pastafarian]

Youre right. Nobody every said... 'we have got our sovereignty back'

haha
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Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if someone did say “we have got our sovereignty back”. I can imagine a few thin skinned self loathers self triggering and getting their knickers in a twist if someone did say it though.

 

[pastafarian]

I've no idea, but I bow to your long experience.

I see you are still not denying those views are what you think.

 

[pastafarian]

Some good points made about Brits living in the EU were also made. I'm glad someone competent is on our side.

The EU are simply being obstructive
If I go and live and work in the USA I don’t expect to be covered by British Law and for it to take precedence over US law for my personal benefit. I adhere to the laws of the land. Do Europeans travel to live all over the world and expect the ECJ to be tucked in their back pocket? I don’t believe they think they are that self entitled.
And why is he moaning that “Britain could simply change its laws later, creating uncertainty”
Of course we can change our laws, that’s what democratic countries do. We will be able to do more of it when we are out as well.
I do like it though when Barnier says a free trade agreement will be negotiated, just wish it was reported more and highlighted more, it might calm down some of the ultras who seem close to self combustion.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I would imagine his disgusting antics on the Thames would give pause for thought to even the most rabid europhile,although,perhaps not.

The day famously upset some people, perhaps including you. Was it V-signs and things?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I see you are still not denying those views are what you think.

People voted for Brexit for all sorts of reasons, some of them terrible.

Yours sincerely, Hypocritical Moron or something.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I do like it though when Barnier says a free trade agreement will be negotiated, just wish it was reported more and highlighted more, it might calm down some of the ultras who seem close to self combustion.

I hope he mentions it to the cabinet, half of whom, half the time, are saying that plans are in hand for no deal at all. The other half of the time they appear to say the opposite. Davis, for example, says one thing and then another depending on who he is talking to.

 

[portslade seagull]

I hope he mentions it to the cabinet, half of whom, half the time, are saying that plans are in hand for no deal at all. The other half of the time they appear to say the opposite. Davis, for example, says one thing and then another depending on who he is talking to.

Why expose what your opening gambits are. I'm glad your not a union negotiater as you would blub out all the terms we want months before we would need too and lose what edge we have

 

[daveinprague]

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if someone did say “we have got our sovereignty back”. I can imagine a few thin skinned self loathers self triggering and getting their knickers in a twist if someone did say it though.

Only people getting their knickers in a twist are brexiteers seeing their dream starting to fall apart and freaking out at the very mention of a second referendum
Don't know why. Acknowledgement of reality I'm guessing and a realisation that the government is incompetent

BTW I do not loathe myself or country. I've served it. Your contribution?

 

[daveinprague]

Got our sovereignty back though haha didn't ever lose it, but

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Why expose what your opening gambits are. I'm glad your not a union negotiater as you would blub out all the terms we want months before we would need too and lose what edge we have

This makes no sense at all. I wasn't talking about revealing a final position, I was talking about this awful government's self-contradicting confusion about its background planning. Johnson, for example, says that 'No Deal' is not under consideration. May says it is. Davis sometimes say it is and sometimes says it isn't. The other side must be quaking in their boots. Tick tick, tick tick..

 

[nicko31]

A bit odd that no one mentioned we would need a second 'Brexit Ratification' referendum if we voted to leave during the campaign. Anyone would think it's a not so cunning wheeze dreamt up by people who can't accept the result.

Ref 1 Do you want to Leave or stay in the EU? Leave

Ref 2 Are you sure?

Ref 3 Are you really sure?

Ref 4 One last chance

Just a cunning plan to do what is best for the country, or are you fearful utopia doesn't exist after all?