[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Were they inhabited at that time?

Also, not sure even Argentina existed a couple of centuries ago!!

It didn't. Argentina got independance from Spain in 1833.

 

[Two Professors]

While you lot have been having your little chuckle on here,nobody seems to have noticed that the Germans have killed off NATO.Hope our troops are out of the Baltic states soon.Trump has said if members don't live up to their commitments,he will pull American forces out,but the Germans are so arrogant they don't believe him-just watch what happens next!:

 

[knocky1]

While you lot have been having your little chuckle on here,nobody seems to have noticed that the Germans have killed off NATO.Hope our troops are out of the Baltic states soon.Trump has said if members don't live up to their commitments,he will pull American forces out,but the Germans are so arrogant they don't believe him-just watch what happens next!:

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Seagulls!

 

[scamander]

the press are currently enjoying reframing the old clickbait topics with the brexit angle. No UK govt will offer Gibraltar up and no Spanish govt would invade it. It is, however, very handy as a distraction tactic for any Spanish govt looking for a bit of deflection if something's not going right at home. The previous Argentinian president, Cristina Fernandez, used to do exacly the same with the Falklands. Be it the accidental death of someone looking to release a bunch of secrets or the currency devaluing further she'd simply roll out the same lines to try and keep the mob happy.

 

[studio150]

Or maybe they should just listen to the people of Gibraltar, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in a European Union with Spain?

Much like Scotland who they are listening to ?

 

[Brighton Mod]

That would be France.

Let's just say the Spanish government were mad enough for the sake of debate.

The size of the Spanish military against that of the United Kingdom would be of too much weight to re-take an area that is in their own back yard without immeasurable and unacceptable casualties.

It is not a straight forward match on a level playing field. The logistical deployment of military would be nigh on impossible without outside assistance.

If Spain invaded Gibralter there is nothing we could do to stop them from fortifying the territory to make it unrecoverable.

I think it would definately effect the Spanish economy as its not often people holiday in enemy territory. When your failing at home, the economy, unemployment, lack of investment, a failing euro and legislation that out of your control turn to foreign policy. The Basque region, Andalucia and Catalunia all have claims on succession, i'm not sure how much the Spanish people care about the claim. Military action is a non starter, such talk is fanciful and dangerous.

 

[glasfryn]

According to Michael Howard

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-go-to-war-to-defend-gilbraltar-a3505126.html

Well I say "We" but I'm not going anywhere except on holiday

only got as far as those four words M/H talks rubbish at the best of times

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Do you have a reference for this. Earliest date I can find is 1765.

My apologies, 1765 is the first official settlement.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/03...-first-references-in-the-16th-century-to-1841

 

[Eeyore]

I think it would definately effect the Spanish economy as its not often people holiday in enemy territory. When your failing at home, the economy, unemployment, lack of investment, a failing euro and legislation that out of your control turn to foreign policy. Military action is a non starter, such talk is fanciful and dangerous.

Obviously it wouldn't happen. But my point is to make clear that the UK is in no position to start sabre rattling over such issues.

 

[GT49er]

Do you have a reference for this. Earliest date I can find is 1765.

Same with me - 1765, and only continuous since 1833. I think the earlier date is a matter of family tradition and oral history/folk-lore/legend - so may be right or may be just legend. Probably no definitive and conclusive proof either way. Whatever the answer is, though, the Islanders have been there long enough to have their rights absolutely respected.

 

[sparkie]

While you lot have been having your little chuckle on here,nobody seems to have noticed that the Germans have killed off NATO.Hope our troops are out of the Baltic states soon.Trump has said if members don't live up to their commitments,he will pull American forces out,but the Germans are so arrogant they don't believe him-just watch what happens next!:

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Did the article you just posted come from kremlin information warfare operation RT ( Russia Today ) ?

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Wasn't Gibraltar the last bastion of the neanderthals?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

But prefer to be British. They voted Remain, but that doesn't mean they want to be Spanish. It just eased the border crossings every day for commuters.

Oh, I see.

In this instance, it's OK to interpret the referendum vote in a particular way, but in other instances we aren't allowed to do that, but are expected to just take the OUT vote as a vote for OUT.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

That would be France.

Let's just say the Spanish government were mad enough for the sake of debate.

The size of the Spanish military against that of the United Kingdom would be of too much weight to re-take an area that is in their own back yard without immeasurable and unacceptable casualties.

It is not a straight forward match on a level playing field. The logistical deployment of military would be nigh on impossible without outside assistance.

If Spain invaded Gibralter there is nothing we could do to stop them from fortifying the territory to make it unrecoverable.

Spain has a military personnel count not far off ours. Their air force is a third of our size and the naval force about half. That would be enough to see us off if they are on home ground when a land invasion is needed.

France ..... !!

Our intelligence capability (intertwined with the US would mean we would know what the Spanish plan was before their front line commanders!)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh, I see.

In this instance, it's OK to interpret the referendum vote in a particular way, but in other instances we aren't allowed to do that, but are expected to just take the OUT vote as a vote for OUT.

The Gibraltarian vote of self determination (2002),was a different vote to the referendum on the EU (2016), as I'm sure you know.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

That would be France.

Let's just say the Spanish government were mad enough for the sake of debate.

The size of the Spanish military against that of the United Kingdom would be of too much weight to re-take an area that is in their own back yard without immeasurable and unacceptable casualties.

It is not a straight forward match on a level playing field. The logistical deployment of military would be nigh on impossible without outside assistance.

If Spain invaded Gibralter there is nothing we could do to stop them from fortifying the territory to make it unrecoverable.

Spain has a military personnel count not far off ours. Their air force is a third of our size and the naval force about half. That would be enough to see us off if they are on home ground when a land invasion is needed.

Isn't this the very reason we have nukes!

Doesn't Turkey or Russia have a bigger military than France?

 

[Eeyore]

France ..... !!

Our intelligence capability (intertwined with the US would mean we would know what the Spanish plan was before their front line commanders!)

Yep

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-Kingdom/Military

And

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...r-player-on-the-world-stage-than-Britain.html

 

[knocky1]

Wasn't Gibraltar the last bastion of the neanderthals?

They are still hanging on those Barbarian Apes. Hopefully the EU will set up a nature reserve.

 

[The Large One]

Or maybe they should just listen to the people of Gibraltar, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in a European Union with Spain?

But prefer to be British. They voted Remain, but that doesn't mean they want to be Spanish. It just eased the border crossings every day for commuters.

... which puts them in an awkward position. It appears they can't have both.

A more enlightening referendum / poll would be where their British / EU priorities lie if Gibraltarians were asked something along the lines of 'would you accept Gibraltar's secession from the United Kingdom's sovereignty and jurisdiction if it meant it could remain in the EU."...?

 

[Eeyore]

Isn't this the very reason we have nukes!

Doesn't Turkey or Russia have a bigger military than France?

Yes. But I'm guessing the reference was to EU forces/western forces.