[Politics] Brexit

[East Preston Gull]

All the leave voters I know have elsewhere and on this board, stated that it will take a long time to settle down. That was a given, given the markets wanted us to remain. Yet we have the pathetic bed wetter Nick Clegg saying yesterday that somehow leaving was presented as the answer to all our ills. Anyone with any common sense whichever way they wanted the referendum to go, knew that wouldn't be the case. I along with many others voted to regain lost sovereignty, not become richer. Remainers have, wrongly said that most people voted about immigration. Well if that's right, then there's the remain camp to blame for that, the scare tactics about the economy were completely misguided and just turned people off.

The amount of panic from remainers is quite alarming. I understand some people have lost money, that is never something to be pleased about whatever side of the divide one is on. And some are worried about the future, the future is undecided at the moment, half the country seems hell-bent on pessimistically panicking and talking the country down. It's not the time to take a short term view but rather, a mature one which understands that this huge step will understandably be a long time in unraveling. Our country doesn't suddenly become a bad place to invest in or do business in. It's time to hold our nerve and look to a future in which we can work with friendly countries, not dominate, nor be dominated.

Stands up and claps slowly, rising to rapturous applause and wiping tear from eye.
Well said.

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[Diego Napier]

Ah I see where you got 2016 from. Yes I should have said forecast of $1.15 was for 2017.

And no sign of an apology? I see why she left you!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I understand some people have lost money, that is never something to be pleased about whatever side of the divide one is on. And some are worried about the future, the future is undecided at the moment, half the country seems hell-bent on pessimistically panicking. It's not the time to take a short term view

It might be alright for you with this smug statement but there are many living on the bread-line who simply can't ride these choppy waters. They can't afford to take a long-term view. What about them? Actually, who cares, I'm alright Jack.

 

[BigGully]

You clearly didn't read what I typed then. I quoted a financial article that said IF the currency dropped another 10%. The article, not me!, didn't say it would, it didn't say it wouldn't....merely what they felt would happen.... if. If you do think it was a total guess on their part take it out with them.

Why would you post it if you didnt feel it held any validity ??

 

[BigGully]

It might be alright for you with this smug statement but there are many living on the bread-line who simply can't ride these choppy waters. They can't afford to take a long-term view. What about them? Actually, who cares, I'm alright Jack.

Who are these people that are on the breadline that are presently experiencing 'choppy waters', currency traders ??

 

[Hastings gull]

It might be alright for you with this smug statement but there are many living on the bread-line who simply can't ride these choppy waters. They can't afford to take a long-term view. What about them? Actually, who cares, I'm alright Jack.

having to sip prosecco instead of champagne on your flight -do you care?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

having to sip prosecco instead of champagne on your flight -do you care?

It was disappointing as I don't like Prosecco, it is too sweet.

 

[smeg]

Who are these people that are on the breadline that are presently experiencing 'choppy waters', currency traders ??

Maybe read some of the threads on here, quite a few people claim to be in real financial trouble, voting leave for them will be a massive mistake.

 

[ditchy]

Stop shouting. It was yesterday when I posted. It remains very low. And you're wrong about the indicator. Airports are places where millions of ordinary people ( no doubt millions who voted Leave) change their money or buy Euros or dollars. It is a very good indicator.

Actually its a very poor indicator as the actual amounts changed for your holidays etc are small compared with the transactions for business. As usual the poor UK punter gets ripped off as the fx companies such as Thos Cook buy currency in bulk at rates way different to those charged to you . A good example maybe for instance that £ /$ rate on the open FX market may be 1.2200/ to 1.2250 .thus a big customer like Thos Cook can buy dollars at a rate of 1.2250 or sell them at 1.2200 in large transactions , say 1mill plus. They may well buy 5mill at 1.2250 and then re sell this at a lot higher rate in their shops thus making a large profit , butyou also have to factor in the many transactional costs and the staffing etc in those shops. that is why you will always see the rates quoted at a lot wider buy sell spread to factor this in . For example Thos cook may quote a buy sell rate of 1.100/ 1.3500 , which is a hefty margin .

 

[portslade seagull]

It might be alright for you with this smug statement but there are many living on the bread-line who simply can't ride these choppy waters. They can't afford to take a long-term view. What about them? Actually, who cares, I'm alright Jack.

You want to worry about the fatherland rather than us, they seem to have a few problems

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Both campaigns were aimed at the lowest common denominator. Remain needed to steal away from the perception of being 'soft', they also could have played more on the positives from the EU. In the entire campaign when did you hear about EU funding for a local enterprise or something which benefited a community? Leave framed the argument as anything but voting for them was essentially an open door to anyone.

Craig Oliver (Cameron's spin doctor) has written a book about referendum. I've only read/heard extracts but it seems the remain camp were confident of a win, over confident. To use a footballing analogy they were the team who expected to win purely by turning up, they simply didn't have a plan to counter the Brexit claims/arguments and had totally underestimated the traction they had.

Good post and true.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It might be alright for you with this smug statement but there are many living on the bread-line who simply can't ride these choppy waters. They can't afford to take a long-term view. What about them? Actually, who cares, I'm alright Jack.

You clearly don't have access to my financial situation then with your offensive remarks. In the short term Brexit may be very bad for me, I simply don't know as it's WAY too early to tell. I am trying to take a long term view. In my view the EU is an appalling organisation, corrupt to the core and driven mostly by a cosy coterie of nations sucking up to Germany and France. I believe it's quite likely the EU will fail and I really nothing to do with it and I don't want my children hindered by it either.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Stands up and claps slowly, rising to rapturous applause and wiping tear from eye.
Well said.

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Why, thank you!

 

[nicko31]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37639307

Using royal prerogative powers, so much for deomcracy.

If we are going to do Brexit, we need to do it properly

 

[pb21]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37639307

Using royal prerogative powers, so much for deomcracy.

If we are going to do Brexit, we need to do it properly

These Brexit people claim to love democracy, but it appears they only love democracy when it suits them.

 

[beorhthelm]

These Brexit people claim to love democracy, but it appears they only love democracy when it suits them.

i would certinaly like this to go through parliament. will you and the remainers accept it if is passed, or still want another vote?

and i think the challenge will succed, im no constitutional expert but gather judges will tend to limit the power of government over parliament, not want to set a precedent for future challenges, and lean to the option that keeps a debate open (i.e. if its too close to call, dont call it).

 

[pb21]

i would certinaly like this to go through parliament. will you and the remainers accept it if is passed, or still want another vote?

Of course.

 

[nicko31]

i would certinaly like this to go through parliament. will you and the remainers accept it if is passed, or still want another vote?

Its not about stopping Brexit its about going through the correct process, that's what we have parliament for.

What sort of precedence would this set? If the government get away with this what will they use the royal prerogative powers for next?

 

[BigGully]

Maybe read some of the threads on here, quite a few people claim to be in real financial trouble, voting leave for them will be a massive mistake.

No no, I am not having that, you let your argument down when you clutch at things without any real substance, there is nothing remotely unique today at this moment in time than say 3 months ago and nothing (yet) can you pin on Brexit, daily shifts in markets is not a accurate indicator.

I can think of many scenarios that you might argue what might happen upstream (then again they might not), but nothing has yet fed through from a sterling flash crash that could possibly adversly effect people that are on your ficticious breadline.

 

[Billy the Fish]

These Brexit people claim to love democracy, but it appears they only love democracy when it suits them.

Having read about the Royal prerogative situation I agree that it seems a bit iffy. Personally I'd like it to go through parliament to make it water tight.