[Politics] Brexit

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Proportional Representation's time has hopefully come. The way forward for a modern independent state.

 

[WATFORD zero]

When the raw material (from outside the EU) starts pouring into the country through the ports we will need more boats seamen and extension to ports....that is just the start..

Exactly - man after my own heart. Use those raw materials to build the necessary immigration camps at Dover and boost the construction industry. Everyone's a winner

 

[Stat Brother]

How many more treads can we have saying the same thing?

I'm setting the over/under at 17.

 

[GT49er]

People's original vote should stand and the original will of the people should be adhered to because this is how democracy works. People should always vote with the full realisation that if they vote in a particular way, there is always the real possibility that their vote could be the deciding one and with that knowledge in mind vote for the result they really and truly want.

... ... ... is the only correct answer.

 

[Two Professors]

Because we haven't made any big signings yet...

You got somewhere to put some whinging Poms?

 

[Triggaaar]

Trade deals take an awful long time. What happens in the meantime.

We already trade with the EU, it hasn't changed. We could agree deals before even instigating Article 50 - that's what I'd do.

You know my point. OK losses of a lot of money just because we've thought about leaving.

It was obvious there would be market uncertainty if we left. We might have a recession, and I took that into account before voting. I decided it was a small price to pay for democracy.

This is why I didn't direct the earlier post to you.

I don't really check who things are directed at, I just skim the page and thumb up things I agree with and state why I don't agree with things I disagree with.

She would argue that the Scottish people were told they had more chance of being in EU if they voted no in the Scottish referendum. Now they are being forced to leave against their will.

So? There are more people in London and they're being taken out against their wishes too. If Scotland stopped us leaving, they'd be holding England and Wales in against their will. It's a ****ing stupid idea, and would (should) lead to riots.

It's a democracy, and most accept that, but the SNP never do.

England wanted Scotland to stay part of the UK because we see them as our friends, people we built an empire with, people we defeated Napoleon and Hitler with. We want them to remain despite the fact that we know it costs us money. The SNP want to leave despite the fact that it's profitable for them to stay, they hate the English.

 

[Two Professors]

Yes indeed. We can move all of that Brussels bureaucracy right back to England where it belongs.

Do try to keep up-Junker has said they can keep their jobs.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I was a remainer but a second referendum makes me a bit uncomfortable. Where do we draw the line ?

I agree.
If they had a 2nd Referendum and Remain won, this country would have split in away that would be proper serious IMO.
Democracy has spoken and some need to grow up or get in their boats and start rowing.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Because i still cannot believe that a small majority of people have been so stupid, narrow minded, ignorant, gullible, racist and totally uncaring towards the youth of this country.
Allowing the likes of Boris, Gove, IDS and (god help us) Farage to climb over themselves for power.
Its clear after this morning, that the leavers were sold a pack of lies, surely they did not believe the figures that were being spouted, did they?
But i doubt any of them will admit to the huge mistake they have made.
Apart from that i am extremely upbeat this morning.

 

[biddles911]

Can you post a link to this. It's got to be thrown in her face every time she mentions Scottish Independence. Of course the English will not vote for something that's not in their interests.

Don't know about that. They voted for Brexit.....!



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[Two Professors]

It appears that a large number of Brexiters are now immediately claiming to be Bregretters. Their regret has obviously not arisen with any benefit of hindsight because the policies for which they had voted had not had the positive outcome they had hoped, because no policies have as yet been put in place let alone enacted upon. But it appears that they did not really want to leave the EU in the first place.
So ignoring for the time being all the petitioning of the original "Stayers", do you think, given the large number of "Bregretters" coming out of the woodwork, that this should be good enough reason to trigger a second referendum?

Two Arguments for: (please add your own)
1.As yet nothing has been enacted upon or put in place so a second referendum would be far less of an upheaval than the process of actually leaving the EU.
2.A second referendum would perhaps reflect the true will of the electorate who would now be voting with the full knowledge of the consequence of their vote, which it appears, they did not the first time round.

Two Arguments against: (please add your own)
1.There is no way of knowing before actually having a second referendum how many "Bregretters" were genuinely original Brexiters. They could be Leavers who are now claiming to be Bregretters merely to give the illusion that a large number of voters have changed their minds. Because the vote is anonymous there is no way of proving the genuine nature of their claim without a second referendum, and if the second referendum went the same way it would show that the government had been duped big time. Would they want to risk that ridicule.
2. People's original vote should stand and the original will of the people should be adhered to because this is how democracy works. People should always vote with the full realisation that if they vote in a particular way, there is always the real possibility that their vote could be the deciding one and with that knowledge in mind vote for the result they really and truly want.

See link below: One "Bregretter" is almost in tears at the thought of what she has subjected her children to.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html

Where did you get that load of rubbish from?You've found one person and turned it into large numbers.Do you work for YouGov?

 

[El Presidente]

Assassinate Nicola Sturgeon. I mean, I'm not saying I want that to happen (I do), but you asked what would solve the problem.

Hmmm. Suggesting killing our elected representatives, even in jest, isn't very funny in the light of recent events.

 

[Me and my Monkey]

For: despite the overwhelming temptation to say "well, you idiots, you made your bed, you better lie in it", the truth is that it's the rest of us poor sods who have to lie alongside them.

Against: a second referendum and a change of mind would send out a very negative message - the UK would no longer have any credibility in Europe whatsoever, without a doubt we would be told to "sit down and shut up" on the naughty step for a VERY long time. I feel that now the choice has been made, we just need to plough on and try to make the most out of the situation.

 

[lawros left foot]

Bregretters? Bedwetters more like.

Is Bregreters even a word?
What with leavers calling remainers, reMOANERS, can I add Naivers, for leavers as it is pretty naive to leave with no plan

 

[One Love]

I decided it was a small price to pay for democracy.

Yes, that great form of democracy we have in this country.

Proportional representation anyone?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Because i still cannot believe that a small majority of people have been so stupid, narrow minded, ignorant, gullible, racist and totally uncaring towards the youth of this country.
Allowing the likes of Boris, Gove, IDS and (god help us) Farage to climb over themselves for power.
Its clear after this morning, that the leavers were sold a pack of lies, surely they did not believe the figures that were being spouted, did they?
But i doubt any of them will admit to the huge mistake they have made.
Apart from that i am extremely upbeat this morning.

The youth of this country won't have to compete with 275000 migrants per year...the premier league is an example of what happens our fine young players,most drop to the lower leagues...

 

[Triggaaar]

It appears that a large number of Brexiters are now immediately claiming to be Bregretters.
...
So ignoring for the time being all the petitioning of the original "Stayers", do you think, given the large number of "Bregretters" coming out of the woodwork, that this should be good enough reason to trigger a second referendum?

Yes, as long as every single one of them proves that they voted to leave. Otherwise they could just be remainers pretending they are bregretters.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

We already trade with the EU, it hasn't changed. We could agree deals before even instigating Article 50 - that's what I'd do.

It was obvious there would be market uncertainty if we left. We might have a recession, and I took that into account before voting. I decided it was a small price to pay for democracy.

I don't really check who things are directed at, I just skim the page and thumb up things I agree with and state why I don't agree with things I disagree with.

So? There are more people in London and they're being taken out against their wishes too. If Scotland stopped us leaving, they'd be holding England and Wales in against their will. It's a ****ing stupid idea, and would (should) lead to riots.

It's a democracy, and most accept that, but the SNP never do.

England wanted Scotland to stay part of the UK because we see them as our friends, people we built an empire with, people we defeated Napoleon and Hitler with. We want them to remain despite the fact that we know it costs us money. The SNP want to leave despite the fact that it's profitable for them to stay, they hate the English.

Great post.

I would like to add I would like to take STURGEON out...........and not for a drink.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Unfortunately for any that voted Brexit and now don't want it, you don't have 28 days to take it back !

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

The SNP want to leave despite the fact that it's profitable for them to stay, they hate the English.

Perhaps they just want independance?
Scotland does differ culturally a fair bit from England, as shown by the vote.