[Politics] Brexit

[Behind Enemy Lines]

which is why a mere 15 million from 40 million decided to remain was correct? why

It's a majority but a very slim one for such a huge change. 33 million voted so you're 7 million people out but you raise a legitimate point. Some voted because they felt the EU eroded national sovereignty which I get. If that was your position then I totally respect that but so far the evidence seems to suggest that most didn't and in anycase, it wasn't what the leave campaign was all about. It began with an argument about economics - would we be better off in or out but then until Boris said we shouldn't listen to the experts anymore - the people that really know - and then it became all about immigration. In this argument, immigrants became the scapegoat, blamed for everything. Both campaigns were terrible but I've never heard so many disgraceful, outright lies in a political campaign from the leavers.
Well done the Tories, who have created such a divided Isle it may well lead to the break-up of the United Kingsom which they purported to value so much. It certainly looks that way.

 

[lawros left foot]

Said it all .....

Oh c'mon, you were undoubtedly showing the figures in a comparable context and even so you have forgotten to factor into the other 20 million those that may well of voted Leave, or likely to prosper in the future you cannot just bag that 20 million for yourself !!

I'm not claiming the 20m missing from the figures, I'm just pointing out we are a country of 65 million, only 47million of whom are eligible to vote.
To me, the villains of the piece are the ones who could vote, but didn't, for either side

 

[Biscuit]

If 1 in 40 people in this country have signed the petition, it's worth taking notice of.

 

[lawros left foot]

Says it all about the people that voted leave.

Another keyboard warrior, shows us your medals, sunshine

 

[daveinprague]

There weren't any.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...emain-leave-brexit-live-updates-a7094886.html

Theres more to the article than the headline.
#What about private exit polls?

That does not mean, however, that there will be no exit polling. The Independent understands that some financial institutions have commissioned exit polls, so that they can gain early intelligence of likely movements in the markets. '

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I can see why some remain voters couldn't understand the importance of self determination and democracy as they don't seem to understand how it works.

It's the EU way .. keep asking the question until you get the right answer.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

So you not only want out of the E.U., you are prepared to cut us off as much as is necessary to avoid any influence whatsoever from the E.U.?
We won't need a points system like Australia has, we will need an assisted passage and you can't leave for 3 years like they used to have, it will be people leaving, not coming that will be the problem.
My Kids leave Uni in 2 and 3 years time, they are not going to wait ten years to see an improved Britain, they are going to go where the work will be, Europe.

As much control from Brussels bought back to London yes and no freedom of movement.....we need migrants to work here that bring a skill set.....or we make our youth work job needs doing no more free loading for the feckless ferial an long term useless.....we educate and encourage...

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Theres more to the article than the headline.
#What about private exit polls?

That does not mean, however, that there will be no exit polling. The Independent understands that some financial institutions have commissioned exit polls, so that they can gain early intelligence of likely movements in the markets. '

Yes that happened. A number of hedge funds commissioned such polls. However considering the overnight up move in sterling prior to the result announcement it seems that the mainstream pollsters called it right in not bothering.

 

[c0lz]

Lol...will never happen and just bitterness from the remainers

This .. A lot of very bitter losers.

 

[BigGully]

I'm not claiming the 20m missing from the figures, I'm just pointing out we are a country of 65 million, only 47million of whom are eligible to vote.
To me, the villains of the piece are the ones who could vote, but didn't, for either side

No no, its a decent win and genuine success, those that didnt vote isnt really the story this time, contrary to the Remain whingers it is quite a resounding win, we can all be selective to a point but I think this offers a clear picture.


England.

North East: 58% Leave 42% Remain

North West: 53.7% Leave 46.3% Remain

West Midlands: 59.2% Leave 40.8% Remain

London: 40.1% Leave 59.9% Remain

Yorkshire & Humber: 57.7% Leave 42.3% Remain

Eastern: 56.5% Leave 43.5% Remain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/leave-or-remain-eu-referendum-results-and-live-maps/

 

[East Preston Gull]

I feel that this vote has divided the nation and it's ramifications will be felt for a very long time. There seems no way of pulling people together and going forward given the calibre of politicians in all the main parties.

Remainers are shocked, anxious and helpless and Brexit supporters are unable to restrain themselves from saying " grow up" or " tough, deal with it " if things do go downhill fast due to inflation, job losses and currency crashes these divisions will be highlighted again and again. I genuinely feel frightened for the future and can't see a way forwards

When palace get relegated next year, this board will unite pretty quickly.

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[Neville's Breakfast]

I PREFER YOUR POSTS ABOUT JAM



Little disturbed that you think I need a degree in anything to back up anything I said. Reading comprehension is all you really need, you could even just watch the TV and pretty much everything I said will be repeated there. Perhaps a little less sternly, but the same facts.

I have been more than happy in the referendum to debate the issues. I respect the Remain point of view. However I struggle with the concept that the debate is settled by switching on the TV and believing journalists and campaigners. This is a debate of ideas. Facts are open to interpretation. I accept that we disagree but your wish to impose a 'truth' on me is somewhat worrying.

 

[Baldseagull]

You do realise that we are the 2nd largest economy in the EU area and that we are their biggest market too, why would you then conclude we would have to abide by their rules, you are underestimating our clout and over estimating theirs.

You have misjudged the situation badly, wait and see what is offered, you won't like it.

 

[daveinprague]

Yes that happened. A number of hedge funds commissioned such polls. However considering the overnight up move in sterling prior to the result announcement it seems that the mainstream pollsters called it right in not bothering.

A lot was garnered from opinion polls also before the vote. A lot of articles in the media showing the voting demographics also, and all of them say the same thing. Young people voted overwhelmingly for remain. So, its not really peoples own private thoughts.

 

[fosters headband]

If 1 in 40 people in this country have signed the petition, it's worth taking notice of.

The way the signatures are mounting up is amazing, a further 81,000 signed in the last 30 minutes

 

[Guy Crouchback]

British economy will suffer no doubt, but on the positive side of things--there will be no more Polish vermin.

'No more Polish vermin':

Police investigating after laminated cards reading 'leave the EU go home scum' are posted through front doors

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reading-leave-EU-home-scum-posted-doors.html

*grabbing more popcorn*

 

[tinycowboy]

I voted Remain, and, obviously, I don't like the result. However, I am genuinely interested in understanding some of the reasons why people voted to leave: this idea of not being in control of our own country - I've never felt like anyone's in charge of our country - clearly, governments are constrained by law (usually), business (sometimes) and the wishes of the public (sometimes). But I can understand it when people are frustrated by the government and feel that the government is to blame, which it often at least partly is, but it can't keep everyone happy. What I can't understand is people feeling that the EU controls our country. I can't recall a single day when I've felt that the EU is to blame for something specific because they control us. If I was a farmer or fisherman, I'm sure I'd feel differently. Where do people see these "controls" (and I'm not counting freedom of movement - it's not a method of control)?

 

[Ernest]

The way the signatures are mounting up is amazing, a further 81,000 signed in the last 30 minutes

8 million might SING it tonight but the minute the Government heed it then democracy is finished

 

[lawros left foot]

British economy will suffer no doubt, but on the positive side of things--there will be no more Polish vermin.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reading-leave-EU-home-scum-posted-doors.html

*grabbing more popcorn*

Opposing, you little tinker, stirring it up like that

 

[Guy Crouchback]

Opposing, you little tinker, stirring it up like that

Sorry, couldn't resist.