[Politics] Brexit

[sten_super]

The EU doesn't reform.

I struggle to reconcile this with the suggestion that the EU has changed beyond all recognition since our last referendum in 1973. How has it done that without reform? Do you in fact mean that it's never retreated from closer integration? That's not the same thing.

You might well be right that UKIP would benefit from a Remain vote. Alternatively I guess they could be re-absorbed back into the right of the Tory party, now that the scale of their internal split is evident. Either way, what I think we really need is an honest (and factual) debate about the relative benefits and disbenefits of immigration across the political spectrum; it's only through this that I think we can hope to actually tackle the issues.

 

[Jim in the West]

A number of hedge funds have paid the polling companies to conduct private exit polls. This is allowed under current legislation. It will cost them £5-10,000 for such an exercise.

They are using this information in the currency exchange markets, betting millions on the outcome before the result is known for certain. This will of course move the markets as they buy or sell.

Sterling is up by 1.14% this morning already, which suggests that............

Indeed - apart from trying to work, I'm watching the GBP:USD rate (and GBP:EUR) - they will probably tell us the outcome today. My understanding is that some financial institutions are spending hundreds of thousands (if not more) on these private polling exercises. I'm assuming initial results of this polling are already feeding through. Still some margin for error, though.

 

[East Preston Gull]

I will be prepared to eat some humble pie if Brexit does win the vote, but the bookies odds of that are decreasing at an ever increasing rate, looking very promising indeed!

The bookies don't have a microchip in everyone's hand. In our social media bubble we presume everyone hears what we have to say. Their are millions of silent voters out in the real world.

When a person asks me how I voted as I depart the poll station. I tell them to mind their own business.

The Leave still Believe:-D

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[hans kraay fan club]

Some people thought that Scotland voting remain would weaken or cause disillusionment in the SNP if anything they are in a stronger position now. As you say the problems with the EU remain as does the vast majority of the UK public's wishes that immigration be brought down to sustainable levels so yes I can see UKIP gaining even more support. Plus of course the Conservative euro-scepticism will still be a factor with many Tory MP's furious at the way the government has conducted itself during the campaign so anyone hoping for a brave new world of EU enthusiasm will be sorely disappointed.

Agree, with most of this. There are no real winners in this, whatever the outcome today. The spite and recrimination will last for a political generation.

This, the tory and Labour love in over this will never be forgotten. They have been traitors to the political beliefs.

This is nonsense though. There are Tory and Labour politicians on BOTH sides of the debate. This debate never has been, and nor should it have ever been, on party lines.
As for the 'traitors to the political beliefs' - also nonsense. The labour politicians on the Remain side will be there, because they believe that Leave presents the greater threat to the working man. Whether they are right, is open to debate of course, but they ARE taking a decision in line with socialist principles.

A remain vote is only going to work in UKIPs favour, which is why Farage has reverted to a stupid poster campaign.
He can see his job and party dieing if we vote Leave.

Brilliant. Farage is throwing the referendum - the very thing he's fought for his entire career. Genius.

If we remain then the puppet government who has the job of keeping us thinking we have democracy could be a Ukip majority.

Hahaha.

 

[El Presidente]

Still some margin for error, though.

Absolutely

 

[Simster]

This, the tory and Labour love in over this will never be forgotten. They have been traitors to the political beliefs.

What I have seen from my 30 odd debates is real hatred of the remain labour stooges from their own labour members. The tory remainers have been getting dogs abuse from the grass roots.

A remain vote is only going to work in UKIPs favour, which is why Farage has reverted to a stupid poster campaign.
He can see his job and party dieing if we vote Leave.

If we remain then the puppet government who has the job of keeping us thinking we have democracy could be a Ukip majority.

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Where to start? Pure chuckles.

 

[MattBackHome]

I've just realised that I'd have a right old go on SamCam given half the chance.

 

[pastafarian]

I struggle to reconcile this with the suggestion that the EU has changed beyond all recognition since our last referendum in 1973. How has it done that without reform? Do you in fact mean that it's never retreated from closer integration? That's not the same thing.

You might well be right that UKIP would benefit from a Remain vote. Alternatively I guess they could be re-absorbed back into the right of the Tory party, now that the scale of their internal split is evident. Either way, what I think we really need is an honest (and factual) debate about the relative benefits and disbenefits of immigration across the political spectrum; it's only through this that I think we can hope to actually tackle the issues.

i guess that would be an issue for ukip supporters who were previously Lib Dem or Labour......not an insignificant number

 

[East Preston Gull]

Agree, with most of this. There are no real winners in this, whatever the outcome today. The spite and recrimination will last for a political generation.





This is nonsense though. There are Tory and Labour politicians on BOTH sides of the debate. This debate never has been, and nor should it have ever been, on party lines.
As for the 'traitors to the political beliefs' - also nonsense. The labour politicians on the Remain side will be there, because they believe that Leave presents the greater threat to the working man. Whether they are right, is open to debate of course, but they ARE taking a decision in line with socialist principles.



Brilliant. Farage is throwing the referendum - the very thing he's fought for his entire career. Genius.



Hahaha.

I say what I see. In 70% of the debates I went to the most vocal leavers were labour supporters. They are horrified with Corbyns stance.

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[Albumen]

Spain’s acting prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, has taken an unequivocal line on Brexit, warning earlier this month that a leave vote affect the hundreds of thousands of Britons who live in Spain and “would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective”.

Divorce from the EU, he stressed, would see British citizens forfeiting the rights to live and work across the continent.

BLOODY EMMIGRANTS GOING OVER THERE TAKING THEIR JOBS

 

[daveinprague]

As confident today about the UK remaining, as I was 6 months ago.

 

[ALBION28]

I say what I see. In 70% of the debates I went to the most vocal leavers were labour supporters. They are horrified with Corbyns stance.

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Living in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire, I have to agree. This is Labour heartland and you are hard pressed to find any who want to Remain.

 

[East Preston Gull]

Spain’s acting prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, has taken an unequivocal line on Brexit, warning earlier this month that a leave vote affect the hundreds of thousands of Britons who live in Spain and “would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective”.

Divorce from the EU, he stressed, would see British citizens forfeiting the rights to live and work across the continent.

BLOODY EMMIGRANTS GOING OVER THERE TAKING THEIR JOBS

Will he put them in trains and send them home, shoot them or maybe send them to holding camps.
EU is sounding more like the Soviet Union with every statement.

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[Notters]

The bookies don't have a microchip in everyone's hand. In our social media bubble we presume everyone hears what we have to say. Their are millions of silent voters out in the real world.

When a person asks me how I voted as I depart the poll station. I tell them to mind their own business.

The Leave still Believe:-D

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Indeed there are, millions of silent bremainers who never wanted nor saw the need for a referendum in the first place and have to waste our time going down to the polling station when we could be gardening, to counterbalance the shouty brexiters.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Living in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire, I have to agree. This is Labour heartland and you are hard pressed to find any who want to Remain.

Yorkshire doesn't count. They'd vote to leave the UK if they could, never mind the EU.

 

[Steve in Japan]

One things for sure. Whoever wins, once it goes pear-shaped, you'll be hard-pressed to find anybody admitting to having voted for the victors. This thread will be GOLD.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Will he put them in trains and send them home, shoot them or maybe send them to holding camps.
EU is sounding more like the Soviet Union with every statement.

No - he'll start charging them commercial rates to use Spanish services, and health system, and refuse them permits to work.

You are starting to sound more hysterical with every statement.

Quite amusing though.

 

[nicko31]

GBP / USD1.495

1/10 on an IN at the bookies

Is this stage Express readers will be crying tomorrow morning

 

[hans kraay fan club]

One things for sure. Whoever wins, once it goes pear-shaped, you'll be hard-pressed to find anybody admitting to having voted for the victors. This thread will be GOLD.

That's pure bollocks. I've said from day 1 that I'd vote Remain. Later I'll walk to the polling station and vote Remain. Whatever the outcome, I'll happily declare I voted Remain, in a week or a year, or a decade's time - because given the weight of evidence before us, I feel it's the correct decision. That will never change, whatever the future throws at us.

 

[East Preston Gull]

One things for sure. Whoever wins, once it goes pear-shaped, you'll be hard-pressed to find anybody admitting to having voted for the victors. This thread will be GOLD.

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