[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

Currency devaluation, foreign investment flooding out the country ect. I'm sure you've read the news reports and company statements during the last referendum, right?

I read plenty of reports about various aspects of the Scots leaving but really ? The UK government would devalue the pound because Scotland left ? Give over !!! As for foreign investment flooding out of England, Wales etc - utter rubbish. The Scottish government spend considerably more than they raise - they are subsidised from central funds. Why would that make foreign investment within England go elsewhere if Scotland vote to leave the UK ?

 

[GreersElbow]

It sometimes seems that the lack of respect many Brexiters have for anyone who disagrees with them is almost...

It's the age old 'they don't understand, propaganda' etc. The assumption the younger generation are naive is naive in itself. Truth is, our generation has been repeatedly ****ed over by the older generation. Debt burden, housing crisis etc. We're the ones who'll be paying for it.

Access to a single market with 500 million consumers with reduced transaction costs gives us an opportunity, 40% of our trade is with the EU. By leaving, we'd be risking a large portion of our exports, this argument that we will just increase trade outside the EU doesn't add up because who will want to trade with us? If people wanted our products, they'd surely have come for them on a greater scale than seen already.

By cutting access to the single market, prices will increase in the short term as renegotiation of trade agreements have to begin as most are on assumption of us being members. In the long-term, we'll end up like Norway. Paying the same amount as we do now, but with no say in the matter what so ever.

The real issue is that the older generation harp on about sovereignty, a concept which no longer really exists since we've seen the increasing globalisation of capitalism. Markets do not care for borders, they do not care for tradition. The younger generation care about prosperity, which comes through economic development and increased opportunity. That's not to say that we, the younger generation do not really care about sovereignty, but I bet you it's lower down on the list of concerns.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It's the age old 'they don't understand, propaganda' etc. The assumption the younger generation are naive is naive in itself. Truth is, our generation has been repeatedly ****ed over by the older generation. Debt burden, housing crisis etc. We're the ones who'll be paying for it.

Access to a single market with 500 million consumers with reduced transaction costs gives us an opportunity, 40% of our trade is with the EU. By leaving, we'd be risking a large portion of our exports, this argument that we will just increase trade outside the EU doesn't add up because who will want to trade with us? If people wanted our products, they'd surely have come for them on a greater scale than seen already.

By cutting access to the single market, prices will increase in the short term as renegotiation of trade agreements have to begin as most are on assumption of us being members. In the long-term, we'll end up like Norway. Paying the same amount as we do now, but with no say in the matter what so ever.

The real issue is that the older generation harp on about sovereignty, a concept which no longer really exists since we've seen the increasing globalisation of capitalism. Markets do not care for borders, they do not care for tradition. The younger generation care about prosperity, which comes through economic development and increased opportunity. That's not to say that we, the younger generation do not really care about sovereignty, but I bet you it's lower down on the list of concerns.

OF COURSE IT , BY LETTING ANY OLD TOM DICK AND HARRY IN DRIVES WAGES DOWN ,GET A GRIP
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Without the uncertainty that will on exacerbate the current situation. Leaving will only increase my generation's issues.

What are your generations issues then ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

what are your generations issues then ?

getting rich
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DR

 

[GreersElbow]

I read plenty of reports about various aspects of the Scots leaving but really ? The UK government would devalue the pound because Scotland left ? Give over !!! As for foreign investment flooding out of England, Wales etc - utter rubbish. The Scottish government spend considerably more than they raise - they are subsidised from central funds. Why would that make foreign investment within England go elsewhere if Scotland vote to leave the UK ?

Um, you understand that we have a floating currency rate, right? Government devaluation isn't the only method of devaluation. Our currency fluctuates on the market, shocks can cause devaluation as market confidence drops. If you didn't know that, give over!!!! http://www.theguardian.com/business...-falls-city-gets-brexit-jitters-business-live "Pound falls..." No government involvement in that....unless it's a conspiracy...

Utter rubbish? Rather than discrediting it, why don't you explain. Again, investment relies on certainty, if the UK were to break up, as the case with the Scottish independence referendum http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...h-economy-amid-fears-of-yes-vote-9720967.html

"Utter rubbish" he says.

 

[GreersElbow]

What are your generations issues then ?

On the basis you didn't know how currency and investment works, I don't think you'd understand.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

On the basis you didn't know how currency and investment works, I don't think you'd understand.

waffle,waffle, waffle
regards
DR

 

[GreersElbow]

OF COURSE IT , BY LETTING ANY OLD TOM DICK AND HARRY IN DRIVES WAGES DOWN ,GET A GRIP
regards
DR

As opposed to the lack of a skilled labour force due to appalling education policy of the past 30 years? The problem has been created by a false dichotomy "go to uni or have an unskilled job" that was created by new-Labour, hence why we saw a huge increase in university students and the rise of mickey mouse degrees.

 

[GreersElbow]

waffle,waffle, waffle
regards
DR

Ironic, really. I bet you froth at the mouth when ever you see the EU flag. Still hanging on to the old imperial times and refusing modernity. Bless.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

as opposed to the lack of a skilled labour force due to appalling education policy of the past 30 years? The problem has been created by a false dichotomy "go to uni or have an unskilled job" that was created by new-labour, hence why we saw a huge increase in university students and the rise of mickey mouse degrees.

yes, the same new labour that let any old tom dick or harry in
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DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Ironic, really. I bet you froth at the mouth when ever you see the EU flag. Still hanging on to the old imperial times and refusing modernity. Bless.

not at all, i don't like to see OUR COUNTRY taken for a ride, PROBLEM IS YOU WOULDN'T APPRECIATE THAT
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Um, you understand that we have a floating currency rate, right? Government devaluation isn't the only method of devaluation. Our currency fluctuates on the market, shocks can cause devaluation as market confidence drops. If you didn't know that, give over!!!! http://www.theguardian.com/business...-falls-city-gets-brexit-jitters-business-live "Pound falls..." No government involvement in that....unless it's a conspiracy...

Utter rubbish? Rather than discrediting it, why don't you explain. Again, investment relies on certainty, if the UK were to break up, as the case with the Scottish independence referendum http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...h-economy-amid-fears-of-yes-vote-9720967.html

"Utter rubbish" he says.

Yes, thank you for the O Level lesson in Economics. So what you actually meant is that the pound would POSSIBLY fall against some other currencies - not that it would be devalued which is an active decision by the government.

As for the money flight ..... you need to take those reports with a pinch of salt. They are as believable as the SNPs figures on oil revenue.

 

[Two Professors]

I've listened to and read so many opinions on what will happen over every issue under the sun by quack economists who have no more idea what will happen than Mystic Meg.Opinions are like a***oles-everybody has one,some stink,but mean nothing.We have tried in,it's crap,now let the people of courage vote OUT.and relax,breathe deeply,take your pills!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

On the basis you didn't know how currency and investment works, I don't think you'd understand.

Ouch Strangely I thought of putting a list of what problems face your generation but then thought that I was actually doing your work for you. I'd wager a vast majority aren't fixable by being in the EU.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes, thank you for the O Level lesson in Economics. So what you actually meant is that the pound would POSSIBLY fall against some other currencies - not that it would be devalued which is an active decision by the government.

As for the money flight ..... you need to take those reports with a pinch of salt. They are as believable as the SNPs figures on oil revenue.

THE POUNDS FALLING AGAINST THE EURO on the back of a 60% out vote TRUST ME
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DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

THE POUNDS FALLING AGAINST THE EURO on the back of a 60% out vote TRUST ME
regards
DR

Indeed, I know but that's a tad different to it being devalued because Scotland go their own way.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Indeed, I know but that's a tad different to it being devalued because Scotland go their own way.

yes i got a bit side tracked in all the excitement, yes the jocks wanted to go it alone but wanted to retain the pound couldn't make it up could you,
regards
DR

 

[DTES]

While PPF continues to bang on about his imaginary 60% poll, I think it's (genuinely) quite interesting that the latest (real) poll has Remain & Leave dead level, with 17% undecided: Reuters

It's all going to be how those undecideds split. My instinct says that as polling day gets close, anyone who isn't decided is more likely to err against a leap into the unknown* and vote Remain.

*Given that the Out campaign still can't agree on what a post-leave UK would look like (Norway? Canada? Switzerland? Something else?) it clearly counts as the unknown

 

[Lincoln Imp]

It's the age old 'they don't understand, propaganda' etc. The assumption the younger generation are naive is naive in itself. Truth is, our generation has been repeatedly ****ed over by the older generation. Debt burden, housing crisis etc. We're the ones who'll be paying for it.

Access to a single market with 500 million consumers with reduced transaction costs gives us an opportunity, 40% of our trade is with the EU. By leaving, we'd be risking a large portion of our exports, this argument that we will just increase trade outside the EU doesn't add up because who will want to trade with us? If people wanted our products, they'd surely have come for them on a greater scale than seen already.

By cutting access to the single market, prices will increase in the short term as renegotiation of trade agreements have to begin as most are on assumption of us being members. In the long-term, we'll end up like Norway. Paying the same amount as we do now, but with no say in the matter what so ever.

The real issue is that the older generation harp on about sovereignty, a concept which no longer really exists since we've seen the increasing globalisation of capitalism. Markets do not care for borders, they do not care for tradition. The younger generation care about prosperity, which comes through economic development and increased opportunity. That's not to say that we, the younger generation do not really care about sovereignty, but I bet you it's lower down on the list of concerns.

I agree with almost everything you say apart from your assumption that I am young. But I'll forgive you for that!