[Politics] Brexit

[The Rivet]

Only in comparison to Hitler (another thoughtful namecall from a NSC Brexiteer).

Good try but, ultimately pathetic. Try again...

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Only in comparison to Hitler (another thoughtful namecall from a NSC Brexiteer).

Maybe, but he plays the role so well it is inevitable comparisons will be drawn. If a poster is prone to a bit of name calling/stereotyping (see Little Englander) then he is fair game.

 

[Buzzer]

Maybe, but he plays the role so well it is inevitable comparisons will be drawn. If a poster is prone to a bit of name calling/stereotyping (see Little Englander) then he is fair game.

There's even a name for this phenomenon: Poe's Law

 

[JC Footy Genius]

There's even a name for this phenomenon: Poe's Law

That's a new one on me, so we have Godwin's law and Poe's law combined!

 

[studio150]

Really, proof? Here you go.
"£9,300,000 Remain Propaganda Leaflet Cash Paid To Deutsche/Williams Lea"
"The firm which printed the Government’s “remain” leaflet is owned by a German company given repeated hand-outs by the European Commission. Williams Lea"
https://westlancashirerecord.com/20...da-leaflet-cash-paid-to-deutschewilliams-lea/

I thought Williams Lee were still a UK company given HQ in London this is wrong as they are now part of a multi national. I thank you for correcting this outdated detail.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I just object to millions of pounds of our hard earned money being poured daily into the coffers of the most corrupt organisation that has ever existed. It is a bureaucratic gravy train that subserves to big brother Germany, allowing them to grow progressively stronger and call the shots. We have lost control over our borders and our legislation, whilst millions go unaccounted for in EU expenditure and lucrative trade deals are stitched up between multi-nationals.
We sacrificed the Commonwealth to get into bed with our so called European allies, who, only a few years before were trying to wipe us off the face of the Earth. De Gaulle despised us with a passion but sought sanctuary in England, when his own great country meekly surrendered to the Nazi's. He then took great delight in vetoeing our early efforts at entry and showed all the arrogance of a coward and a bully.
We have allowed Germany to rebuild and dominate Europe again, as is their wont and now we are members of their club, paying through the nose, to have thousands of civil servants in Brussels create an avalanche of red tape and bureaucratic nonsense that costs businesses in this country millions of pounds in having to comply with their dictats.
In or out.......let me think.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

been reflecting on the debate. The OUT camp are very quiet. Just got my pamphlet from the IN camp which was well articulated (eg "EU membership brings economic security, peace and stability"). But nothing from those who want to leave. Also Boris seems to be making no impact. Its not looking good for them

No

No you haven't - you got it from the government not the official IN camp or campaign. Given it was only yesterday that the Electoral Commission selected the IN and OUT official campaign groups and thus releasing funding to them it seems a little impossible they could have sent anything out yet. The government sent that out using entirely our money. The two campaign groups get about £600k each of public money the rest is private money. Seems a bit unfair to me that the government have spent nearly £10m of our money on that pamphlet when neither of the campaign groups can spend anything near that figure.

 

[sparkie]

No

No you haven't - you got it from the government not the official IN camp or campaign. Given it was only yesterday that the Electoral Commission selected the IN and OUT official campaign groups and thus releasing funding to them it seems a little impossible they could have sent anything out yet. The government sent that out using entirely our money. The two campaign groups get about £600k each of public money the rest is private money. Seems a bit unfair to me that the government have spent nearly £10m of our money on that pamphlet when neither of the campaign groups can spend anything near that figure.

I have had the booklet explaining the Goverment's position, and ALSO a 1 page leaflet ( which is NOT from the Government, and although it isn't in front of me I'm 99% sure is from the IN campaign ).

There was only 1 bid for the IN campaign, so they knew they'd be selected and would be up and running at minute 1.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Jeremy says Stay In.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36039925


He cited protection of workers' rights, environmental standards and consumer safeguards as reasons to vote to Remain on 23 June.
In a speech in central London, Mr Corbyn said: "Over the years I have been critical of many decisions taken by the EU, and I remain critical of its shortcomings; from its lack of democratic accountability to the institutional pressure to deregulate or privatise public services.
"So Europe needs to change. But that change can only come from working with our allies in the EU. It's perfectly possible to be critical and still be convinced we need to remain a member."

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Good try but, ultimately pathetic. Try again...

Well I didn't have to try very hard but I'm not sure what's ultimately pathetic. Do tell before I try again.

(Background: poster calls HT 'Hitler'; HT responds that 'Lord Haw Haw' would have been funnier.)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I have had the booklet explaining the Goverment's position, and ALSO a 1 page leaflet ( which is NOT from the Government, and although it isn't in front of me I'm 99% sure is from the IN campaign ).

There was only 1 bid for the IN campaign, so they knew they'd be selected and would be up and running at minute 1.

Agreed, when you know you're the only group in the competition you can plan better. Notable that they only sent you a one pager ...... that's because they have a limited budget. The government can spend what it likes. Bit of an unfair fight really.

 

[cunning fergus]

Jeremy says Stay In.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36039925


He cited protection of workers' rights, environmental standards and consumer safeguards as reasons to vote to Remain on 23 June.
In a speech in central London, Mr Corbyn said: "Over the years I have been critical of many decisions taken by the EU, and I remain critical of its shortcomings; from its lack of democratic accountability to the institutional pressure to deregulate or privatise public services.
"So Europe needs to change. But that change can only come from working with our allies in the EU. It's perfectly possible to be critical and still be convinced we need to remain a member."

A sad state of affairs for someone who supposedly puts his ideological principles above political expediency.

Having opposed the EU in all its guises for 40 years, he is now willing to support it because he thinks it will change.

He called out the problems with it, he has now thrown his hat in with the Tories, Bankers and all the other fat cat capitalists. I will look forward to him quoting "facts" from Goldman Sachs and the IOD concerning the benefits of staying in the club.

What a shame for someone who said he was going to turn the Labour Party back from Blairism.

 

[gregbrighton]

Jeremy says Stay In.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36039925


He cited protection of workers' rights, environmental standards and consumer safeguards as reasons to vote to Remain on 23 June.
In a speech in central London, Mr Corbyn said: "Over the years I have been critical of many decisions taken by the EU, and I remain critical of its shortcomings; from its lack of democratic accountability to the institutional pressure to deregulate or privatise public services.
"So Europe needs to change. But that change can only come from working with our allies in the EU. It's perfectly possible to be critical and still be convinced we need to remain a member."

I was going to vote OUT but after watching Jeremy Corbyn's speech, I am going to vote REMAIN IN.

 

[pb21]

A sad state of affairs for someone who supposedly puts his ideological principles above political expediency.

Having opposed the EU in all its guises for 40 years, he is now willing to support it because he thinks it will change.

He called out the problems with it, he has now thrown his hat in with the Tories, Bankers and all the other fat cat capitalists. I will look forward to him quoting "facts" from Goldman Sachs and the IOD concerning the benefits of staying in the club.

What a shame for someone who said he was going to turn the Labour Party back from Blairism.

Let's not beat around the bush, Corbyn has overnight gone from a far left trotskiest to a laissez-faire loving tory!

 

[marshy68]

I'm voting OUT because this is once in a lifetime opportunity to make a change for the good. Feel like there is a grey cloud over the UK at the moment, and will never shift all the time we are being told what to do by Brussels. I want my borders back under control, I feel like the UK is becoming too over populated and that's not good for anyone. I want some space.

How are our borders not under control? I assume you show your passport at border control everytime you come into the UK? If you crave space why live in the UK its a tiny country. Maybe Canada or Australia would be more to your liking?

 

[cunning fergus]

Let's not beat around the bush, Corbyn has overnight gone from a far left trotskiest to a laissez-faire loving tory!

I wouldn't put it like that but I bet you Corbyn's long time socialist comrade Dennis Skinner hasn't cast his long held anti EU beliefs because Blairites like Hilary and Chukka gave him a squeeze.

Corbyn has meekly folded and as far as this debate is concerned he and Cameron are now 2 cheeks of the same arse.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How are our borders not under control? I assume you show your passport at border control everytime you come into the UK? If you crave space why live in the UK its a tiny country. Maybe Canada or Australia would be more to your liking?

And just as long as that passport is an EU one you get waved straight through. He was referring to the fact that any EU resident from EU country can just come and live and work, if they wish, here. But you knew that didn't you ? The control he's talking about is a points based system ( which we have for non-EU residents ) being extended to EU residents. A good idea in my mind.

 

[DTES]

Let's not beat around the bush, Corbyn has overnight gone from a far left trotskiest to a laissez-faire loving tory!

I know, right, bloody laissez-faire loving tory:

"Just imagine what the Tories would do to workers’ rights here in Britain if we voted to leave the EU in June. They’d dump rights on equal pay, working time, annual leave, for agency workers, and on maternity pay as fast as they could get away with it. It would be a bonfire of rights that Labour governments secured within the EU."

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

the same bloke who want's to get rid of trident claiming the EU is a better place for our security ...COULDN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
regards
DR

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I was going to vote OUT but after watching Jeremy Corbyn's speech, I am going to vote REMAIN IN.

Are you serious, you won't get any change, the EU will never reform because it doesn't like reform end of.