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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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Beside the seaside, beside the sea
vegster said:
I entirely agree, as a nation it was a time of huge prestige, not so good it you were in the armed forces far abroad or doing 14 hour days in a mill or as a servant.
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I was also thinking of the lands we plundered.
 




GrizzlingGammon

GrizzlingGammon

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Dec 15, 2018
1,996
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Come on.

The referendum was to shut up the 'bastards' (tory back bench wankas like Bill Cash) once and for all.

The plan was for 'remain' to win. That was 'call me Dave's' plan.

There was no plan by the leavers. They just wanted to leave.

The absurd promises (£350 million a day for the NHS etc.) were made simply to nudge the sheep (electorate) to put the X in the Leave box.

Signing off the last acts of self harm was kicked down the road by Johnson, Truss and Sunk.

It makes sense for Starmer to do the same till we reach a point where a stark choice is needed, whence Starmer can say 'this is madness, we need a fix'.

As there is no fix apart from re-creating some of the arrangements we had before we left, this will be the moment where it all kicks off again.
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This won't happen until Brexit is implemented as negotiated. All border checks put in place and people reap the benefits of higher food etc.

Even then, I expect the gammons to blame the government in place rather than blame Brexit.
 


Nobby

Nobby

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Sep 29, 2007
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Does anyone know who we can recharge for the extortionate cost of data roaming as we’re currently in Europe paying an extra mortgage
Is it Johnson or Farage?
Asking for a friend
 


Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,273
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Historians will look back at the postwar history of England and ask what the f*** happened to the English?

Once we had leadership, and an important voice in the world. Churchill. A seat at Yalta. The UN. The massive opportunity offered by the postwar concensus.
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Two things:

1. You've said 'English'. Can I assume you mean 'British'? England did not have a seat at Yalta, but the Prime Minister of Great Britain did. And the other home nations did so much to help win that war, so it is disrespectful to leave them out when referring to Yalta and the postwar period.

2. The country was on its knees at the end of WW2 and in hock to the Yanks for millions in war aid repayments. So to still be the 6th largest economy in the world 79 years later, behind only countries with much larger populations than our own, is proof that much has gone right in that time.

3. I would argue that the crossroads for the UK was the 1978-79 winter of discontent, but that we chose the right path with Thatcher (despite her many faults) steering the country towards a service-based economy that embraced new technology such as computers and factory robots.

Then in the mid-90s with the dawn of the internet and World Wide Web we chose a leader in Blair who helped us exploit the opportunities afforded by the internet.

Now we have a third key development, in AI and - I feel - we have again elected a leader who will ensure Britain reaps the benefit of this huge technological development.

Society has changed and Brexit showed how people could be misled, but I still believe there are enough grown-ups in the room for the country to bounce back from a rough decade.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Nobby said:
Does anyone know who we can recharge for the extortionate cost of data roaming as we’re currently in Europe paying an extra mortgage
Is it Johnson or Farage?
Asking for a friend
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On o2 and its still free, back home though not great coverage at times
 






Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
56,185
Faversham
Pavilionaire said:
Two things:

1. You've said 'English'. Can I assume you mean 'British'? England did not have a seat at Yalta, but the Prime Minister of Great Britain did. And the other home nations did so much to help win that war, so it is disrespectful to leave them out when referring to Yalta and the postwar period.

2. The country was on its knees at the end of WW2 and in hock to the Yanks for millions in war aid repayments. So to still be the 6th largest economy in the world 79 years later, behind only countries with much larger populations than our own, is proof that much has gone right in that time.

3. I would argue that the crossroads for the UK was the 1978-79 winter of discontent, but that we chose the right path with Thatcher (despite her many faults) steering the country towards a service-based economy that embraced new technology such as computers and factory robots.

Then in the mid-90s with the dawn of the internet and World Wide Web we chose a leader in Blair who helped us exploit the opportunities afforded by the internet.

Now we have a third key development, in AI and - I feel - we have again elected a leader who will ensure Britain reaps the benefit of this huge technological development.

Society has changed and Brexit showed how people could be misled, but I still believe there are enough grown-ups in the room for the country to bounce back from a rough decade.
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I said English deliberately. It was the English who ruled the roost in the UK till the 70s and the rise of regionalism.

And it is the English who have the greatest sense of entitlement in the UK (the proddies in ulster are a special additional case) and it was England where most of the recent 'rioting' took place.

And yes, we are still 'big'. There is life in the old dog.

I hope you are right and the grown ups (perhaps we have some in power, now) catch the ball before it bounces into the hedge.
 














WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Is it PotG? said:
Whenever I see you've added to your 85,000 posts on this thread, it always reminds me of this advert.

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Even when you have absolutely nothing to contribute to a thread whatsoever, other than derailing and trolling, your wonderfully acerbic wit seems to win people round. You should post more :rolleyes:
 
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nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly




Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
67,903
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
South Stand Bonfire said:
Two and a half hours sitting in a queue to get through UK passport control at the tunnel crossing in Calais. 50% of the UK side passport kiosks are shut. Oven ready.
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That’s before the biometrics start. It’s been kicked down the road for over two years.
 


WATFORD zero

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There’s an elephant in the room at Keir Starmer’s big investment summit: Brexit​

Why would any business locate themselves in a country that has cut itself off from the world’s largest trading bloc when it could just do business in the world’s largest trading bloc? Brexit has not been a “big bang” of damage but a slow drain of talent, investment and, ultimately, growth. Now the pandemic has receded, that is painfully clear. Aston University research shows a 27% drop in UK exports and a 32% decline in imports from the EU since 2021, which translates to an annual loss of £183bn.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/there-s-an-elephant-in-the-room-at-keir-starmer-s-big-investment-summit-brexit/ar-AA1sf9pa?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=5b4f49faafa248b09a08c0d405bb0c62&ei=11

I wonder if there's anything obvious that could be done to help the Government grow the economy by a few billion a year ? Still, onwards and downwards :dunce:
 


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