- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
My daughter had always wanted to travel round Europe and do a ski season when she was growing up, but that was all taken away from her. She ended up spending 18 months in Oz, it's totally and utterly ridiculous
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[Politics] Brexit
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My daughter had always wanted to travel round Europe and do a ski season when she was growing up, but that was all taken away from her. She ended up spending 18 months in Oz, it's totally and utterly ridiculous
Shame.
nicko31
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So far all we've seen out of the Australian arrangement is a brain drain of our health workers, trust me Lizz Truss's £500k private jet was all worth itMy daughter had always wanted to travel round Europe and do a ski season when she was growing up, but that was all taken away from her. She ended up spending 18 months in Oz, it's totally and utterly ridiculous
Mental Lental
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I see the new government have postponed the border checks on incoming fruit and veg until July 2025.
I wonder how long it will be before this government can start to begin to suggest that maybe, just maybe, Brexit was a bit of a shit idea in the first place?
I wonder how long it will be before this government can start to begin to suggest that maybe, just maybe, Brexit was a bit of a shit idea in the first place?
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
They seem petrified to go there
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
Probably because it will hammer inflation on all imported foodstuffs and another round of border delays, when and if yet another aspect Brexit actually gets 'done' (again
). It's the reason the last Government delayed implementing it five times.As Rees-Mogg famously said implementing the Brexit deal that was actually negotiated 'would be an act of self harm'. It's why no government wants to do it
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
By going there I was more referring to discussing 'fixing' Brexit (i.e. not doing it). As their version involves making it work, we have to be prepared for many more years of econonic drag and issues with travel.Probably because it will hammer inflation on all imported foodstuffs when and if Brexit actually gets 'done' (again
As Rees-Mogg famously said implementing the Brexit deal that was actually negotiated 'would be an act of self harm'. It's why no government wants to do it
Mainstream Tory thinking (I mean all their leadership candidates) is that Brexit has been a success.
Even plenty of Labour supporters think it would be 'wrong' to have another referendum.
The current labour government cannot 'go' there all the while so many people think Brexit is the Will of the People
It would be billed as the greatest betrayal of the British People since Kim Philby.
The only way out of this mess is to wait till making deals that are apparently 'forbidden' by the will of the people become 'ideas whose time has come'.
And it will be a very hard sell to restore relatively 'free trade' in exchange to re-signing agreement for our goods to conform with EU regulations, for example.
We said 'no' to square eggs, straight bananas and Polish plumbers, right?
And as for free movement of EU citizens to work, driven by economic need and unfilled vacancies, we didn't vote leave just to 'open up our borders' again! The country would be overrun with asylum seekers, all fast tracked into council houses.
(I was a remainer and agree that Brexit was a massive avoidable act of self harm.
But I can't expect Starmer to throw the Labour party onto the sharp upturned pikes of the massed ranks of the Will of the People.
Who in the media could resist a binfest? The Mail, Sun, GBeebies, and even the BBC (in the interests of balance) would be all over it.
And the streets would be full of 'patriots', rioting to save our country).
Less dystopian views may be available, but they would be, in my opinion, a tough sell right now.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,124
Probably because it will hammer inflation on all imported foodstuffs and another round of border delays, when and if yet another aspect Brexit actually gets 'done' (again
As Rees-Mogg famously said implementing the Brexit deal that was actually negotiated 'would be an act of self harm'. It's why no government wants to do it
Wait. Hang on a minute.
If we are now choosing not to implement the controls that we wanted to implement by 'taking back control', then what was the point of Brexit?
To take back control but not actually control anything?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
Come on.
The referendum was to shut up the 'bastards' (tory back bench wankas like Bill Cash) once and for all.
The plan was for 'remain' to win. That was 'call me Dave's' plan.
There was no plan by the leavers. They just wanted to leave.
The absurd promises (£350 million a day for the NHS etc.) were made simply to nudge the sheep (electorate) to put the X in the Leave box.
Signing off the last acts of self harm was kicked down the road by Johnson, Truss and Sunk.
It makes sense for Starmer to do the same till we reach a point where a stark choice is needed, whence Starmer can say 'this is madness, we need a fix'.
As there is no fix apart from re-creating some of the arrangements we had before we left, this will be the moment where it all kicks off again.
nicko31
Well-known member
So because the Brexit sunny uplands haven't arrived for the economy we STILL can't afford the cost proper customs checks on EU imports?
That said I guess this mean the EU isn't doing the same for our exports? That would be unfair....
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,124
So the sole purpose of Brexit was to take back control of immigration? Nothing else?Maybe it was to take back control of immigr ............. oh
Time for a pole. (Unfortunately he's gone back to Poland), so we'll have to wait for the results).
Has Brexit been a success? (Success being measured in lower numbers of immigrants)
a. No.
b. No.
c. Possibly, if you wanted to control the numbers of immigrants upwards.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
Last polling May 24
Of those who gave a positive or negative response
64% thought we were wrong to leave
36% thought we were right to leave
I wonder at what point it can be addressed
Of those who gave a positive or negative response
64% thought we were wrong to leave
36% thought we were right to leave
I wonder at what point it can be addressed
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
And certainly not from day 1 of Brexit
Still it's balanced out by all those trade deals with the major economies of the world USA, China, India ................. oh
nicko31
Well-known member
They were ready with checks on our imports on day 1 of Brexit. They were readyAnd certainly not from day 1 of Brexit
Still it's balanced out by all those trade deals with the major economies of the world USA, China, India ................. oh
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
De regulation of rights, so the rich can make more and more profits especially in Special Enterprise Zones, where there will be no regulation. See P&O.
Unfortunately for the 64%, charging VAT on education is outlawed in the EU so Labour would have to u-turn that policy which I'm guessing is unlikely. Freeports are also an issue but I really don't know much about them.Last polling May 24
Of those who gave a positive or negative response
64% thought we were wrong to leave
36% thought we were right to leave
I wonder at what point it can be addressed
nicko31
Well-known member
It really is quite a feat that Brexit managed to drive up immigration, create a labour shortage and stagnate economic growth all at the same time.
What would have happened to the economy if we really had cut immigration as promised?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,776
I think the £1.3B that would be raised by VAT on education pales into insignificance compared to the £100B pa leaving the customs union has cost us in GDP, and I would imagine any chancellor would think exactly the same. (Ok, maybe not Kwasi
)I don't know what you mean when you say 'freeports are also an issue', Britain has had them pre and post Brexit
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