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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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Pretty fortunate here also, the final paragraph means as I was born in 1954 I’ll be exempt haha, smoke that you younger Brexiteers.
Happy I read your post! Made me read the article! I’m 71 and Mrs DiS 70!
 




Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
4,175
Bath, Somerset.
They didn't want facts or solutions. They wanted their Brexit
Yes, I think one of the reasons why it seems so difficult to argue or debate with most Brexiters is that they are concerned with emotions and feelings, and what they want to believe, rather than evidence or facts.

This explains much of the appeal of Nigel Farage to Brexit supporters (and the appeal of Donald Trump to many of the angry white working-class in the US) - they ruthlessly appeal to visceral emotions, grievances, and often a sense of victimhood or imagined persecution, and present themselves as Saviours; new Messiahs.

That white working-class anger - totally justified in terms of poverty wages, insecure jobs, slum housing or rip-off rents, crumbling public services, and widening inequality - is then targeted, by Farage and Trump, at immigrants and the so-called liberal elite.

This serves it's real purpose - to prevent the white-working class from directing their anger at the corporate elites and multi-millionaires and billionaires who pay the poverty wages and charge exorbitant rents.
 
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aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
5,407
brighton
Yes, I think one of the reasons why it seems so difficult to argue or debate with most Brexiters is that they are concerned with emotions and feelings, and what they want to believe, rather than evidence or facts.

This explains much of the appeal of Nigel Farage to Brexit supporters (and the appeal of Donald Trump to many of the angry white working-class in the US) - they ruthlessly appeal to visceral emotions, grievances, and often a sense of victimhood or imagined persecution, and present themselves as Saviours; new Messiahs.

That white working-class anger - totally justified in terms of poverty wages, insecure jobs, slum housing or rip-off rents, crumbling public services, and widening inequality - is then targeted, by Farage and Trump, at immigrants and the so-called liberal elite.

This serves it's real purpose - to prevent the white-working class from directing their anger at the corporate elites and multi-millionaire and billionaires who pay the poverty wages and charge exorbitant rents.ĺ
Well put. It's a regularly stated argument of mine that emotions are wonderful things but applying them to politics & even human rights/protests etc might make one feel good & warm inside (or satisfyingly furious) but just lead us to take the first steps towards real fascism & atrocities. A little dramatic but demonstrably & depressingly often the case
 












Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I thought Labour had ruled this out?
They ruled out Freedom of Movement, but said they wanted to make Brexit work. This is more for students than anything else. Erasmus was ruled out by Johnson, even though the EU offered it as part of the Brexit deal. This doesn't go as far as Erasmus.
 






nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
18,707
Gods country fortnightly
They ruled out Freedom of Movement, but said they wanted to make Brexit work. This is more for students than anything else. Erasmus was ruled out by Johnson, even though the EU offered it as part of the Brexit deal. This doesn't go as far as Erasmus.
Having a bilateral deal on 18-30 year olds would be great for our betrayed young people and help fill some Labour gaps. We’ll see …
 








nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
R5 Nicky Campbell ... for this next hour is all about our future relationship with the EU.
Good we're having grown up conversations for the first time in a long time. The relationship can only improve with mutual benefit, however changes will be limited with Starmer stupidly backing himself into a corner on many issues not least Customs Union membership.

So many stupid obstacles, like having a UK version of Reach. Costly regulation with no tangible benefit, almost as stupid as the UKCA compliance. We need to get back to regulatory alignment
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,866
Withdean area
Good we're having grown up conversations for the first time in a long time. The relationship can only improve with mutual benefit, however changes will be limited with Starmer stupidly backing himself into a corner on many issues not least Customs Union membership.

So many stupid obstacles, like having a UK version of Reach. Costly regulation with no tangible benefit, almost as stupid as the UKCA compliance. We need to get back to regulatory alignment

To keep my sanity, I think/hope Starmer's being a sly fox on this. Increasing integration is the agenda.
 














Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
39,963
West Sussex

Reset with Europe does not mean reversing Brexit - Starmer​


Starmer says he has been "absolutely clear" that he wants a reset in relations between the UK and EU and that the bilateral treaty meeting today is moving at pace.

Starmer clarifies that the reset with the EU "would not mean reversing Brexit or re-entering the single market or Customs Union".

He adds that there are no plans for a youth mobility scheme but there are plans for "a closer relationship".
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
18,707
Gods country fortnightly

Reset with Europe does not mean reversing Brexit - Starmer​


Starmer says he has been "absolutely clear" that he wants a reset in relations between the UK and EU and that the bilateral treaty meeting today is moving at pace.

Starmer clarifies that the reset with the EU "would not mean reversing Brexit or re-entering the single market or Customs Union".

He adds that there are no plans for a youth mobility scheme but there are plans for "a closer relationship".
Very poor on the lack of a youth mobility scheme, a betrayal of young people but I'm not surprised. So can't have a summer job in Majorca, but can work in Melbourne..
 


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