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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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McTavish

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2014
1,593
I'm in the wine business and we are all very excited that from the 19th September we will be able to sell wine in pints.

The fact that no-one intends to do this and it would be very costly to do so is neither here nor there. We could if we wanted to.

We will also be allowed to make and sell Piquette, a practice that had been banned by our evil European overlords. Most people in the trade were unaware of this ban as they had never heard of Piquette. Now that the end of this egregious ban has been highlighted, that no-one seems to be interested in making or selling it is again irrelevant. They could if they wanted to.

A cynical person might say that they government is un-banning things that will make absolutely no difference to anyone in order to claim spurious advantages from Brexit or as Minister for Enterprise, Markets and Small Business Kevin Hollinrake said, “Our exit from the EU was all about moments just like this, where we can seize new opportunities and provide a real boost to our great British wineries and further growing the economy,” but that would surely be unfair.
 




southstandandy

WEST STAND ANDY
Jul 9, 2003
6,101
One real bugger since Brexit has been traveling around Europe. We have unquestionably had far longer delays at airports waiting for passport control than ever before which is a real nuisance especially with the grand children in tow.

A year ago I also required a new car wing after a small prang, and the part was manufactured in the EU. Usually it takes 1 week for parts to arrive in the UK but since Brexit.....I had to wait 6 weeks whilst it sat in Dover to be inspected and certified before being allowed to be delivered to the garage to be put on my car.

There are just so many more barriers now with our nearest trading partners I just cannot see any real benefits.

The only real positive is that Farrage said he would leave the UK if Brexit was a disaster - hopefully soon he will honour his promise and leave.
 




Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,310
For me (as a remainer) it's the fall of the value of the £, making exports cheaper, my company making more money (paying more tax) and employing more people.

Of course, there's more paperwork/hassle involved now and I'd rather be in the EU (especially hate the 90/180 rule) but there are benefits.

I still think we'll rejoin the Single Market (possibly in Starmer's second term)
Points taken - though we import more than we export, so for every one person winning on cheaper exports there will be someone else losing / going out of business re dearer imports.
 






Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
I'm in the wine business and we are all very excited that from the 19th September we will be able to sell wine in pints.

The fact that no-one intends to do this and it would be very costly to do so is neither here nor there. We could if we wanted to.

We will also be allowed to make and sell Piquette, a practice that had been banned by our evil European overlords. Most people in the trade were unaware of this ban as they had never heard of Piquette. Now that the end of this egregious ban has been highlighted, that no-one seems to be interested in making or selling it is again irrelevant. They could if they wanted to.

A cynical person might say that they government is un-banning things that will make absolutely no difference to anyone in order to claim spurious advantages from Brexit or as Minister for Enterprise, Markets and Small Business Kevin Hollinrake said, “Our exit from the EU was all about moments just like this, where we can seize new opportunities and provide a real boost to our great British wineries and further growing the economy,” but that would surely be unfair.
Can I have a pint of Piquette please?
 


papachris

Well-known member
Just so that everyone is aware there will be new rules for 3rd country (UK) visitors to the EU coming in that will result in charges of 7€ per person.

 


The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
26,401
West is BEST
Quite right too. We didn’t go through a non democratic, economy destroying referendum just so we could follow sensible foreign regulations to keep our rivers clean.

If we want to pump our British shit into our British rivers then we are free to do so.

Up yours.

 




Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
23,819
Brighton
Quite right too. We didn’t go through a non democratic, economy destroying referendum just so we could follow sensible foreign regulations to keep our rivers clean.

If we want to pump our British shit into our British rivers then we are free to do so.

Up yours.

Exactly.

It’s all about our freedom.

Quite happy for our economy to be smaller than Poland’s by the end of the decade and our rivers and sea to be full of shit because it’s OUR decision.

And as for all this woke nonsense about climate change, don’t get me started! We are just experiencing a hot period on the planet, this is natural. Humans can’t affect the climate, the earth is too big.

What makes me cross is that food prices are just about to massively go up because of border restrictions. This is all the fault of remoaners and the EU. Why are they making businesses pay all that extra money and jump through all those extra hoops?

I’m sick of these remoaners putting our country down but happy in the knowledge the due to our Nige, there won’t be none left in Parliament after the next election.
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,941
One real bugger since Brexit has been traveling around Europe. We have unquestionably had far longer delays at airports waiting for passport control than ever before which is a real nuisance especially with the grand children in tow.

A year ago I also required a new car wing after a small prang, and the part was manufactured in the EU. Usually it takes 1 week for parts to arrive in the UK but since Brexit.....I had to wait 6 weeks whilst it sat in Dover to be inspected and certified before being allowed to be delivered to the garage to be put on my car.

There are just so many more barriers now with our nearest trading partners I just cannot see any real benefits.

The only real positive is that Farrage said he would leave the UK if Brexit was a disaster - hopefully soon he will honour his promise and leave.

One of the main factors (together with the associated increase in the use of courtesy cars) behind the massive leap in car insurance that everybody seems surprised by :shrug:

But onwards we charge :dunce:
 




Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
69,860
Withdean area
Tony Blairs Government passed an act which meant the UK could not agree to any further EU treaty amendments, without a referendum. That has been repealed now as part of leaving, so we didn't have to have a referendum on the treaty change that involved us leaving.
When we rejoin, and we will, that legislation may not get reinstated, so the Brexit success you claim now, could yet turn out to be the opposite, as Brexit removed the referendum requirement for a Government to sign us up to a US of E.
Your Brexit succes is just a security blanket you can hide under, when you get scared of the non existent US of E.

When’s when?

I’m hoping in a Labour second term. But 6+ years is an epoch in political terms. A few world crisis engineered by Putin/Iran can soon screw any Western government’s term.
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,941
When’s when?

I’m hoping in a Labour second term. But 6+ years is an epoch in political terms. A few world crisis engineered by Putin/Iran can soon screw any Western government’s term.

Easy Tiger, one step at a time. Joining the largest Economic Customs Union in the world that sits right on our doorstep should be the first stage and will have the biggest positive impact on Britain's failing economy. When that is achieved, maybe we can then start to look at joining the EU and maybe even getting a little influence on it.

Obviously nowhere near the level of influence that politicians of all political hues negotiated over 40 years, because gross stupidity always has a price, but maybe a little ?

After all, we wouldn't want to be stuck as a "vassal state" for too long :wink:
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,941
8 years after the vote, over 4 years since we 'Got Brexit Done', we appear to still be continuingly shooting ourselves in both feet on a regular basis :shootself

Brexit border: Checks a ‘disaster’ as IT outages delay import of perishable items by up to 20 hours​

Businesses have described the government’s new border control checks as a “disaster” after IT outages led to lorries carrying meat, cheese and cut flowers being held for long periods, reducing the shelf life of their goods and prompting retailers to reject some orders. The worst disruption was last weekend, with dozens of lorries being held at the government’s control post serving Dover and the Channel tunnel for periods of between eight and 20 hours after the IT system that registers goods went down.

Ministers brought in physical checks on animal and plant products from the EU at the start of this month as part of its post-Brexit import regime.


https://www.irishtimes.com/world/uk...import-of-perishable-items-by-up-to-20-hours/

At least the cost of these cock ups and increased costs of importing food to the UK (approx 46% of what we consume) won't add to the inflation figures ...... Oh :dunce:

It's incredible that nobody could have foreseen all these problems and warned about them, isn't it ???
 








WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,941
A timely reminder by a tory about the tories..... never forget!


I haven't always agreed with Heseltine, but a principled, honest, long standing and senior member of the Conservative Party openly admitting to how this current dishonest, incompetent egotistical and narcissistic cabal have taken over his party in the last few years :down:
 






Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
56,700
Faversham

What a f***ing embarrassment Johnson and the other wankers are for what they did. A national disgrace.
 


Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
I heard a tale of a French Border Control Officer getting short tempered with an elderly American who didn't have his passport ready. He asked him if he had never travelled outside the US before, the Yank said he had, the border guard said well you should know then, to have your passport ready, and the Yank said it was a long time ago that he last travelled outside the US, and nobody asked him for a passport, when he parachuted into France in 1944.
No idea if that is a true story, but it was told to me by a French man.
 


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