[Politics] Brexit

[alfredmizen]

The NI secretary has just been up. There are going to be massive issues with the land border which, it seems, must be a hard one? No single market, no fluid border?

I very much doubt it , it wasn't a hard border during the worst days of the troubles when there was an inordinate amount of smuggling going on, as there is now.

 

[pastafarian]

I very much doubt it , it wasn't a hard border during the worst days of the troubles when there was an inordinate amount of smuggling going on, as there is now.

exactly
and bi lateral border agreements since the 1920`s i think well before eu membership

one simple sniff of anything potentially detrimental and the doomsayers rape it like rotherham

 

[ManOfSussex]

You believed some random pontification on NSC ? ??

 

[CHAPPERS]

I very much doubt it , it wasn't a hard border during the worst days of the troubles when there was an inordinate amount of smuggling going on, as there is now.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...-of-hard-border-cannot-be-ruled-out-1.2814615

The reintroduction of a hard Border on the island of Ireland cannot be ruled out when Britain leaves the EU, Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan warned on Monday.

The Minister said the possible reintroduction of a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic was a “matter of grave concern” to the Irish Government.

His comments come as sterling fell to a fresh three-year low against the euro on Monday following the announcement by British prime minister Theresa May that her government will trigger Article 50 by March 2017.

Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty sets out how an EU country might voluntarily leave the union.

Ms May has made clear that the UK will insist on controlling immigration from the European Union after Brexit, even if that means leaving the European single market.

This stance raises the question about how the movement of people across the Border between the North and the Republic will be governed.

Mr Flanagan said he had impressed upon his EU colleagues the “unique situation” in Ireland and “the fact that we cannot go back to the old days of a heavily fortified Border”.

However, he said the scenario of a more visible Border by 2019 “cannot be ruled out”.

 

[ManOfSussex]

panic over

Yes, a bit of an unnecessary panic by the looks of it, though still work to do:

Republic of Ireland 'to seek special EU status'


Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire has reiterated the UK government's line that there will be "no return to the borders of the past" with the Republic of Ireland.

The Guardian reports that "an increasingly anxious Irish government is to apply to the EU for special status to prevent a hard border being re-established if the UK leaves the EU customs union, and insists on controlling the flow of European migrants".

The article continues: "Charles Flanagan, the Irish foreign minister, said the UK and Irish governments would seek special legal status for Ireland, even though an open border between Ireland and the UK would in theory be a route through which tens of thousands of EU citizens could travel to the UK.

"Martin McGuinness, the deputy first minister in Northern Ireland and Sinn Féin’s leader, spoke to David Davis, the UK’s Brexit minister, on Sunday, to discuss government plans after speeches at the Conservative conference revealed a cabinet leaning towards leaving both the EU single market and the customs union."

The Irish government will announce on Tuesday that it is setting up a civic dialogue to be held in Dublin on 2 November involving political parties, business organisations and non-governmental organisations from Northern Ireland and the Republic."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-37539156

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1475574529

 

[studio150]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

 

[pastafarian]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

happy days indeed.......kerching!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

And in the real world where people get their hands dirty for a living, everything seems to be functioning as normal. There are two developments going up where I live, some town houses, and another set of houses opposite that, tradesmen have never been so busy. The bloke over the road who fits Windows and Doors is out every day on a new job. The Mcdonalds down the road has just expanded, a new bakers and mini supermarket has just opened, and the local manufacturing company has seen an increase in orders.

 

[larus]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

SHOCK - HORROR.

Financial markets/forecasters react and are often wrong. For example - Lehmans, Dot-Com bubble, Deutsche Bank. IMF was wrong about the policies pursued by the government when it came to power and were forecasting a recession. The IMF then had to admit it's mistake.

The reality is, markets hate uncertainty but also have a herd mentality. If you rely upon them for your 'support' of your argument, you've lost.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

As I don't export anything myself this sounds like bad news if I go overseas

 

[daveinprague]

And in the real world where people get their hands dirty for a living, everything seems to be functioning as normal. There are two developments going up where I live, some town houses, and another set of houses opposite that, tradesmen have never been so busy. The bloke over the road who fits Windows and Doors is out every day on a new job. The Mcdonalds down the road has just expanded, a new bakers and mini supermarket has just opened, and the local manufacturing company has seen an increase in orders.

In the real world, we have not left Europe yet, which, given how well its going, as you point out, its all a bit of a shame.

 

[nicko31]

Oh happy days GBP at 31 year low against USD

Yes Brexit is making the rich who own lots of foreign shares and property richer and the poor who have no such luxury and still have to buy foreign goods poorer. Its called Tory party policy

 

[Soulman]

Yes Brexit is making the rich who own lots of foreign shares and property richer and the poor who have no such luxury and still have to buy foreign goods poorer. Its called Tory party policy

If it is "tory party policy" then how come Dave and most of the party were remainers.

 

[Two Professors]

Yes Brexit is making the rich who own lots of foreign shares and property richer and the poor who have no such luxury and still have to buy foreign goods poorer. Its called Tory party policy

Another troll-what are your other user names?The Crimp,the one who thinks he's Paul Weller,Gregsgrandad etc...?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

In the real world, we have not left Europe yet, which, given how well its going, as you point out, its all a bit of a shame.

" we" .........
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

oh happy days gbp at 31 year low against usd

leave the country then
regards
DR

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

This in spades
Im a tory voter.
but Its been quite a revelation throughout the whole debate how much the labour side simply hate the working class viewpoint on this issue.It was very sad to see this.

its not the complete disregard of views that has been surprising but the vile sneering as people must be idiots........how on earth do you trust MPs again that consider you as lowlifes ......

To be fair it's not everyone on the Left. However, this referendum has certainly exposed a lot of people who claim to be left leaning as in fact as reactionary and elitist as some of the people they claim to oppose.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes Brexit is making the rich who own lots of foreign shares and property richer and the poor who have no such luxury and still have to buy foreign goods poorer. Its called Tory party policy

I'm not sure I understand this analysis. Undoubtedly there will be rich people who own assets overseas and they will benefit from a weak pound. However there will also be rich people who only own U.K. assets and they will not. Also, a weaker pound will benefit exporters so anybody employed by such a company (rich or poor) will be better off in terms of job security (all other things being equal). Further, if we remained in the EU we would become more enmeshed in this multinational driven project to drive down Labour cost. I would argue that it is this pro EU agenda which is actual Tory party policy and my evidence
is their manifesto.

 

[ManOfSussex]

To be fair it's not everyone on the Left. However, this referendum has certainly exposed a lot of people who claim to be left leaning as in fact as reactionary and elitist as some of the people they claim to oppose.

I agree with that. A lot of champagne socialists have shown their hands.

 

[nicko31]

I'm not sure I understand this analysis. Undoubtedly there will be rich people who own assets overseas and they will benefit from a weak pound. However there will also be rich people who only own U.K. assets and they will not. Also, a weaker pound will benefit exporters so anybody employed by such a company (rich or poor) will be better off in terms of job security (all other things being equal). Further, if we remained in the EU we would become more enmeshed in this multinational driven project to drive down Labour cost. I would argue that it is this pro EU agenda which is actual Tory party policy and my evidence
is their manifesto.

Face it a weaker pound will punish those at the bottom of the pile who rely on most of their income to buy the basics. A GBP / USD is in effect the countries share price, its woven into so much of the economy

There are winners from a weak sterling, but we've devalued more than 20% more its no cause for celebration

Tory policy, maybe an untended one. But everyone knows who benefits from Tory governments