[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

As both Labour and the Conservatives support Turkey's EU potential membership (despite the views of the UK electorate) it is clear any talk of vetoing is redundant.

There Is only one way to guarantee all Turkish citizens won't have the right to live and work here in the future ... #voteleave

 

[Soulman]

Wow. You really have no idea about business or real life do you. It's scary that some otherwise intelligent people actually seem to share the same whacko opinions as you.

But that's life I suppose, any idiot can vote. Best of luck.

Cheers for the insults. I suppose you being an accountant in steel town Sheffield means you have have a vested interest and are looking after your own skin.
quote: "You really have no idea about business or real life do you"......... perhaps i do.

 

[Soulman]

My guesses are they wouldn't use it. Turkey will join without the say of the people in this country and many others in the EU, and that is what is completely wrong about this whole EU project.

It will be taken in the interests of the current government and not of the people.

What should really happen is we have another referendum of whether Turkey should join the EU or not, but we won't. We won't because they damn well know what the answer would be.

In fact why are we not getting referendums on all the other countries close to joining? Many of us think they are unsuitable of joining.

Agreed.

 

[Soulman]

The last chocolate bars have been made at a Cadbury factory in Britain after production was switched to Poland.

Campaigners fighting to save the plant, which has been taken over by US food giant Kraft, described it as a sad day.

Kraft had promised to keep the operation there, but backtracked and said it would shut the plant, at Keynsham near Bristol, with the loss of 400 jobs.

The factory had made Fry’s Chocolate Creams since 1919.

Nearly all the *chocolate made in Poland will be transported 1,200 miles from Poznan to Britain to be eaten here.

Former worker Amoree Radford said: “It’s a shame we cannot keep chocolate-making in this country.”

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The last chocolate bars have been made at a Cadbury factory in Britain after production was switched to Poland.

Campaigners fighting to save the plant, which has been taken over by US food giant Kraft, described it as a sad day.

Kraft had promised to keep the operation there, but backtracked and said it would shut the plant, at Keynsham near Bristol, with the loss of 400 jobs.

The factory had made Fry’s Chocolate Creams since 1919.

Nearly all the *chocolate made in Poland will be transported 1,200 miles from Poznan to Britain to be eaten here.

Former worker Amoree Radford said: “It’s a shame we cannot keep chocolate-making in this country.”

And this has nothing to do with brexit either, more like it is cheaper to employ people in Poland than it is here. Poland have certainly done well out of EU membership, shame the same couldn't be said about this country.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The last chocolate bars have been made at a Cadbury factory in Britain after production was switched to Poland.

Campaigners fighting to save the plant, which has been taken over by US food giant Kraft, described it as a sad day.

Kraft had promised to keep the operation there, but backtracked and said it would shut the plant, at Keynsham near Bristol, with the loss of 400 jobs.

The factory had made Fry’s Chocolate Creams since 1919.

Nearly all the *chocolate made in Poland will be transported 1,200 miles from Poznan to Britain to be eaten here.

Former worker Amoree Radford said: “It’s a shame we cannot keep chocolate-making in this country.”

And your point?

 

[Soulman]

And your point?

Read the post above yours.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Cheers for the insults. I suppose you being an accountant in steel town Sheffield means you have have a vested interest and are looking after your own skin.
quote: "You really have no idea about business or real life do you"......... perhaps i do.

Er, no. I've got clients in many different industries and professions. Most people in Sheffield don't actually work in the steel industry any more but it's quite a big place so there are still a few thousand.

What we are seeing is that manufacturing orders are down and people running the businesses involved think that the brexit uncertainty is a factor in this. As in, if we vote out it will get much worse so orders are on hold in the hope that we vote in and avoid the shit storm. As I said, this isn't my opinion, just what people in business are saying.

I doubt this is particular to this city as we're talking about multi £m turnover companies who deal with customers and suppliers from all over the country (and Europe, surprisingly). But you keep burying your head in the sand, everything will be fine.

 

[LlcoolJ]

The last chocolate bars have been made at a Cadbury factory in Britain after production was switched to Poland.

Campaigners fighting to save the plant, which has been taken over by US food giant Kraft, described it as a sad day.

Kraft had promised to keep the operation there, but backtracked and said it would shut the plant, at Keynsham near Bristol, with the loss of 400 jobs.

The factory had made Fry’s Chocolate Creams since 1919.

Nearly all the *chocolate made in Poland will be transported 1,200 miles from Poznan to Britain to be eaten here.

Former worker Amoree Radford said: “It’s a shame we cannot keep chocolate-making in this country.”

What has this got to do with brexit? It's an AMERICAN company that has done this.

 

[GT49er]

What we are seeing is that manufacturing orders are down and people running the businesses involved think that the brexit uncertainty is a factor in this.

Of course there is uncertainty leading up to the referendum. That's natural. But once we have (hopefully) Brexited, we will all know where we stand, and all those clever people in business that you refer to will get on with it, and carry on running their businesses and making money.

I doubt this is particular to this city as we're talking about multi £m turnover companies who deal with customers and suppliers from all over the country (and Europe, surprisingly). But you keep burying your head in the sand, everything will be fine.

We all know the EU is in a shocking state and needs drastic reform - and we all know that is never going to happen. Instead, the EU will continue with its ruthless expansionist policy, seeking to turn all Europe (and bits of Asia) into a United States of Europe, centrally controlled from Brussels. A train crash waiting to happen. And yet some people want to stay in, in full knowledge of all the un-reformable faults of the EU, but too scared to walk through the exit door. Methinks they are the ones with their heads in the sand.

 

[Soulman]

Of course there is uncertainty leading up to the referendum. That's natural. But once we have (hopefully) Brexited, we will all know where we stand, and all those clever people in business that you refer to will get on with it, and carry on running their businesses and making money.


We all know the EU is in a shocking state and needs drastic reform - and we all know that is never going to happen. Instead, the EU will continue with its ruthless expansionist policy, seeking to turn all Europe (and bits of Asia) into a United States of Europe, centrally controlled from Brussels. A train crash waiting to happen. And yet some people want to stay in, in full knowledge of all the un-reformable faults of the EU, but too scared to walk through the exit door. Methinks they are the ones with their heads in the sand.

Agreed.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

What has this got to do with brexit? It's an AMERICAN company that has done this.

What's an American company got to do with it,pre take over Cadbury stated that it would likely have to close.

 

[5ways]

THIS POST HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN!

I can't understand why anyone can fall for all the scaremongering. If anyone wants to know the truth, just ask people my age, that remember life in Britain before the EU. I left school in 1965, when there was 10 jobs for every school leaver. There was no need for a law setting a minimum wage. Most people who chose to save for a deposit could afford to pay their mortgage. There was no such thing as negative equity. Britain's industry was the envy of the world. We traded freely with the whole world. We had a commonwealth that flourished by trading with us. Once we were conned into joining the common market, we were forced to abandon our commonwealth, with just a few concessions we had to beg cap in hand for, For example we were allowed to buy butter from New Zealand as long as we put a levy on it that went straight to the EU, but doubled the cost of it to us. We had to stop buying from Australia in favour of the EU. This understandably upset Australians. I spoke to quite a few, who said that because of Britain's back stabbing, they rebelled by stopping buying British cars in favour of Japanese cars. Within 10 years of being in the EU. we had lost over half of our industries and the decline has continued up until now. Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers. That is exactly what the EU has reduced us to. If we get out of Europe we can rejoin the world trading stage and get Britain back to where it was. We will be able to subsidise our industries where necessary, something that the EU prevent us doing. We allowed our steel industry to be destroyed because we were not allowed to support it. The cost of benefits paid to out of work steelworkers far outweighs the cost of subsidies. Lets just get Britain back and put the Great back in Britain.

I appreciate where you're coming from but it is completely unfair to blame the EU on the global changes which have taken place in 1965.

Please look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

My dad talks about being able to walk down to the factory ask for a job, and start on Monday. You could work there for 30 years and have a nice life, children etc. That is not coming back because the world is fundamentally different now. Then we competed with maybe 5 or 6 other major economies and retained deep trade ties with the former empire. We could trade with these countries easily because they had few options. When they did begin to have other options the UK shares of global GDP declined quite quickly. West Germany and Japan overtook us because they had better economic policy in place. They bought Japanese cars because Japanese cars were better. They bought German refrigerators because they were better made and higher quality.

We will never get back to where we were because we're not just competing with Japan and Germany, but China, India, Indonesia, Taiwan, Mexico etc etc. UK industry declined because it was not competitive. This fact was concealed because we had few director competitors. This allowed most people to earn a good living but as globalisation sped up we were found out. The EU swept away the cobwebs. Some UK manufacturing did not survive, those that did were leaner, fitter and stronger. The UK manufacturing we do have today is very high quality stuff. It has to be. We were the sick man of Europe in 1965 right up to the 1990s.

It's ludicrous and paternalistic to say 'we abandoned the commonwealth' - yes we can buy butter from New Zealand but French butter is literally 30 miles away. You attribute to the EU structural decline that is totally unfair. The EU pulled us out of a rut and helped us compete. It still does that today. Our economy is extremely lean (too lean) but the global economy too has very little fat to spare. You have to be hungry. In the 1960s we were chubby and to mix metaphors living on borrowed time and the equity of empire.

This is the reality:

The rest of the EU has the same problems. 23% of global GDP but 50% of global welfare spending. The challenges we face are the same. If we want to preserve our way of life in the 21st century we have to work together.

 

[jaghebby]

You are Jim in the West just agreeing with yourself,strange person!

Unfortunately you are incorrect I am not Jim in the West!


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[JC Footy Genius]

100 leading City names sign letter backing Brexit

More than 100 leading City grandees have backed the Vote Leave campaign arguing that Brussels meddling represents “a genuine threat” to Britain’s financial services industry.

Senior figures from the worlds of banking, stockbroking, insurance and fund management said in a letter to the Standard that the Square Mile “can thrive and grow outside the European Union”.

The signatories include respected names such as former chairman of the LIFFE futures exchange Sir Brian Williamson, hedge fund bosses Paul Marshall, chairman and founding partner of Marshall Wace, and Kevin Pakenham, co-founder of Pakenham Partners, and Melanie Hampton, managing director of insurance brokers Alexander Miller.

Many well-known campaigners for Brexit who also signed the letter include former HSBC chief Michael Geoghegan, Dominic Burke, group chief executive of insurance broker Jardine Lloyd Thompson, and Crispin Odey, founding partner of Odey Asset Management. Former Tory party treasurer Peter Cruddas, founder of online trading company CMC Markets, is also on the list.

All 110 said they were signing the letter in a personal capacity rather than on behalf of their businesses “as individuals active in the City of London and UK financial services who share a strong personal commitment to the world’s most vibrant financial centre.”

They added: “We believe the City is most likely to strengthen its lead as the world’s largest international financial centre, and continue to make a major contribution to the UK economy and employment, outside the EU but with continued access to its capital markets.”

...according to today’s signatories “there is scant evidence that the EU will foster or support the kind of innovation which is essential if Europeans are to compete with the rest of the world.

“Specifically, we worry that the EU’s approach to regulation now poses a genuine threat to our financial services industry and to the competitiveness of the City of London.”

Vote Leave chief executive Matthew Elliott said: “Far from the picture of gloom painted by the Government, it is clear the City of London would not only retain its pre-eminence as the world’s most important financial centre, but would also thrive after freeing herself from the EU’s regulatory shackles.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ames-sign-letter-backing-brexit-a3236841.html

An alternative view to the resident experts on NSC who say Brexit will seriously damage our Financial services Industry.

 

[pastafarian]

I would take these figures as the absolute minimum. From my own experience there are plenty of unregistered Brits living in the EU who will not figure in any official counts.

take the figures as you want,they are EU official figures and far removed from the figures jim in the west was giving as fact.

you are 100% correct ,there are plenty of unregistered Brits living and working in the EU,likewise there are also plenty of EU citizens living and working in the UK unregistered and not contributing a penny to anything,.....the shadow economy is huge in the EU

you consider this acceptable and something we should just put up with

normal people consider this approach as mental

 

[pastafarian]

THIS POST HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN!

I can't understand why anyone can fall for all the scaremongering. If anyone wants to know the truth, just ask people my age, that remember life in Britain before the EU. I left school in 1965, when there was 10 jobs for every school leaver. There was no need for a law setting a minimum wage. Most people who chose to save for a deposit could afford to pay their mortgage. There was no such thing as negative equity. Britain's industry was the envy of the world. We traded freely with the whole world. We had a commonwealth that flourished by trading with us. Once we were conned into joining the common market, we were forced to abandon our commonwealth, with just a few concessions we had to beg cap in hand for, For example we were allowed to buy butter from New Zealand as long as we put a levy on it that went straight to the EU, but doubled the cost of it to us. We had to stop buying from Australia in favour of the EU. This understandably upset Australians. I spoke to quite a few, who said that because of Britain's back stabbing, they rebelled by stopping buying British cars in favour of Japanese cars. Within 10 years of being in the EU. we had lost over half of our industries and the decline has continued up until now. Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers. That is exactly what the EU has reduced us to. If we get out of Europe we can rejoin the world trading stage and get Britain back to where it was. We will be able to subsidise our industries where necessary, something that the EU prevent us doing. We allowed our steel industry to be destroyed because we were not allowed to support it. The cost of benefits paid to out of work steelworkers far outweighs the cost of subsidies. Lets just get Britain back and put the Great back in Britain.

great post

 

[Soulman]

Good, lets hope this happens,

Growing Eurosceptic factions in countries such as Denmark, Czech Republic and Poland could force similar referendums across the bloc if Britons choose to severe ties with Brussels fat cats in June.

Antonio Barroso, senior vice-president of political risk consultancy at Teneo Intelligence believes a British rejection of Eurocrats in June could lead the “disintegration” of the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...russels-denmark-poland-czech-republic-britain

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Good, lets hope this happens,

Growing Eurosceptic factions in countries such as Denmark, Czech Republic and Poland could force similar referendums across the bloc if Britons choose to severe ties with Brussels fat cats in June.

Antonio Barroso, senior vice-president of political risk consultancy at Teneo Intelligence believes a British rejection of Eurocrats in June could lead the “disintegration” of the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...russels-denmark-poland-czech-republic-britain

I wonder if they will wheel in a pathetic American president to threaten those countries?

 

[Soulman]

I wonder if they will wheel in a pathetic American president to threaten those countries?

Probably.