[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

There's quite a lot of data available on how many Brits live abroad. The Spanish estimate there are about 1m Brits living in Spain. The French census gives a figure of around 200k Brits living in France (around a third of whom are retired). Italy may be a small number at the moment, but it's growing.

More poppyknob rubbish
Yes there is lots of data, you are not using it though.
Fortunately some are.

The Spanish don’t estimate one million Brits living in Spain at all. The Spanish have a figure of 306,000 which is reflected in the official eurostat figures.
The highest there has ever been is 351,000 in 2008 prior to the crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36046900
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do

Total number of Brits living in the EU is put at 1.2 million. You have managed to reach that total using only two countries

 

[Soulman]

In an opinion poll in the Netherlands, a majority of voters said they backed the country having its own in/out referendum on EU membership, similar to the UK vote.

And Czech Republic prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka has warned if Britons do decide to leave the EU, a ‘Czexit’ could follow.

 

[GT49er]

Yeah that's right. By leaving the EU we will be miraculously transported back to 1965 and suddenly have a massively successful manufacturing industry employing millions. What could possibly go wrong?

Not instantly. Idiotic suggestion.

It will take time, but by leaving the door will have opened enabling it to happen; not exactly to 1965 of course - the world is a different place now, but to a place that is far better than our present position as an annoying boil on the fringes of the EU, only tolerated for our net contributions (and for the fact we've got enough tame politicians to support and praise the EU, idiotic enough to think they can negotiate worthwhile concessions with in the EU).

 

[LlcoolJ]

"The uncertainty", the uncertainty will be over and if it is a leave vote then these businesses will soon get back to normal. "The uncertainty" is the same scenario when a GE is nearing.

Wow. You really have no idea about business or real life do you. It's scary that some otherwise intelligent people actually seem to share the same whacko opinions as you.

But that's life I suppose, any idiot can vote. Best of luck.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Wow. You really have no idea about business or real life do you. It's scary that some otherwise intelligent people actually seem to share the same whacko opinions as you.

But that's life I suppose, any idiot can vote. Best of luck.

You agree the EU needs reform don't you? So where is the voice for people who want reform on things like free movement, because if we vote to Remain it will never ever make it to the table. The whole idea that EU will somehow reform is complete and utter bullshit. They haven't listened now, and they will not listen later.

The EU doesn't reform and will never reform, It's not in the wider plans. They want everyone under one currency, one law, one army, and one flag, and they want a borderless EU.

You have seen how the EU has treated countries who have decided to put up borders stopping the flow of refugees and economic migrants, they have been threatened them with forced migrant quotas. is this democracy to you?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

How is it Turkey and a host of other countries will be allowed to join the EU, most importantly where is consent from all Europeans on this matter in the form of a vote? Your democracy ends at the main door in Brussels, the sooner people wake up and see it the better.

Want to know where our money goes, on plush buildings like the new EU council building. If the government in this country built something like this there would be a bloody uproar, but when it comes to the EU nothing is ever said.

It's disgusting when we don't have enough to go around this country.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/30/eu-new-council-building-brussels-change-image

 

[melias shoes]

In an opinion poll in the Netherlands, a majority of voters said they backed the country having its own in/out referendum on EU membership, similar to the UK vote.

And Czech Republic prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka has warned if Britons do decide to leave the EU, a ‘Czexit’ could follow.

We leave and the dominoes will tumble.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

We leave and the dominoes will tumble.

The only way to make the EU right is to let it tumble, still with all the problems the EU is suffering, they still forge ahead making even more poor decisions.

We are being treated like sheep. Once the gate is closed we aint getting out, ever.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Strangely this poll has about a 7 point lead to the remain camp ....... I'm racking my brains to remember what happened last time there was a 7 point lead in the polls ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Trite and shallow rubbish that attempts to blame others for all the things our lovely old country has got wrong over the past 50 years. As long as some people play their puerile game of blaming others for our own mistakes we will find it almost impossible to recover. Laying the responsibility for our de-industrialisation at the doors of the EU is particularly risible, especially in the week that France signed a multi-billion submarine manufacturing deal with Australia. There's so much wrong with this piece that commenting on it is like trying to repair a car that's just gone over a cliff. Who on earth wrote it?

Good response.

 

[yxee]

In an opinion poll in the Netherlands, a majority of voters said they backed the country having its own in/out referendum on EU membership, similar to the UK vote.

And Czech Republic prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka has warned if Britons do decide to leave the EU, a ‘Czexit’ could follow.

Democracy is mental. All these people deciding their own fates, can really mess the best made plans up.

 

[Jim in the West]

More poppyknob rubbish
Yes there is lots of data, you are not using it though.
Fortunately some are.

The Spanish don’t estimate one million Brits living in Spain at all. The Spanish have a figure of 306,000 which is reflected in the official eurostat figures.
The highest there has ever been is 351,000 in 2008 prior to the crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36046900
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do

Total number of Brits living in the EU is put at 1.2 million. You have managed to reach that total using only two countries

The figures from the Institute of Public Policy & Research give 761k Brits in Spain. The estimate of around 1m is simply because there are huge numbers of Brits who have not registered for a Social Security number in Spain. This figure could be wrong....and maybe it's the same rhetoric that the Brexit camp often make about how many EU migrants there are in the UK.

However, the total number of UK nationals living in the rest of Europe wasn't my point.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

More poppyknob rubbish
Yes there is lots of data, you are not using it though.
Fortunately some are.

The Spanish don’t estimate one million Brits living in Spain at all. The Spanish have a figure of 306,000 which is reflected in the official eurostat figures.
The highest there has ever been is 351,000 in 2008 prior to the crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36046900
https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do

Total number of Brits living in the EU is put at 1.2 million. You have managed to reach that total using only two countries

I would take these figures as the absolute minimum. From my own experience there are plenty of unregistered Brits living in the EU who will not figure in any official counts.

 

[Jim in the West]

How is it Turkey and a host of other countries will be allowed to join the EU, most importantly where is consent from all Europeans on this matter in the form of a vote? Your democracy ends at the main door in Brussels, the sooner people wake up and see it the better.

Want to know where our money goes, on plush buildings like the new EU council building. If the government in this country built something like this there would be a bloody uproar, but when it comes to the EU nothing is ever said.

It's disgusting when we don't have enough to go around this country.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/30/eu-new-council-building-brussels-change-image

Just to put your mind at rest, we have a veto over Turkey joining....

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Just to put your mind at rest, we have a veto over Turkey joining....

My guesses are they wouldn't use it. Turkey will join without the say of the people in this country and many others in the EU, and that is what is completely wrong about this whole EU project.

It will be taken in the interests of the current government and not of the people.

What should really happen is we have another referendum of whether Turkey should join the EU or not, but we won't. We won't because they damn well know what the answer would be.

In fact why are we not getting referendums on all the other countries close to joining? Many of us think they are unsuitable of joining.

 

[jgmcdee]

My guesses are they wouldn't use it. Turkey will join without the say of the people in this country and many others in the EU, and that is what is completely wrong about this whole EU project.

Quoting this because it shows some supremely twisted logic.

The UK has a veto. If they choose not to use it that's down to the UK, not the EU. If they choose to put the decision to use it or not to a referendum it's down to the UK, not the EU.

And yet somehow it's all the EU's fault. Sigh.

 

[Maldini]

Think the EU’s bad now? Wait until Albania joins: With piercing logic and passionate eloquence, MICHAEL GOVE warns that EU expansion will open our borders to 88million from Europe's poorest countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...rs-88-million-Europe-s-poorest-countries.html


Like I said,I fear this referendum has come 3-5 years too early.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Quoting this because it shows some supremely twisted logic.

The UK has a veto. If they choose not to use it that's down to the UK, not the EU. If they choose to put the decision to use it or not to a referendum it's down to the UK, not the EU.

And yet somehow it's all the EU's fault. Sigh.

Increasingly desperate tactics from the BREXIT bunch.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Think the EU’s bad now? Wait until Albania joins: With piercing logic and passionate eloquence, MICHAEL GOVE warns that EU expansion will open our borders to 88million from Europe's poorest countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...rs-88-million-Europe-s-poorest-countries.html


Like I said,I fear this referendum has come 3-5 years too early.

 

[beorhthelm]

Just to put your mind at rest, we have a veto over Turkey joining....

and knowing the objections, they are already going about easing Turkey in through the back door, with discussions visa free travel and subsidies ongoing, and long stand free trade arragngments (interesting to note, given the claims you cant do free trade without freedom of movement).