[Politics] Brexit

[sparkie]

Latest opinion poll has rejoin EU at 59% - the trend to rejoin is strengthening month on month as we can see here:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls-uk-eu/

FWIW, I wouldn't want a referendum on this until we are at around 70% - it needs to be unarguable to avoid rinse and repeat. Then finally, the naive deluded clowns and the moronic little-Englanders who voted for this crock of shit might hang their heads in shame in years to come (although I wouldn't hold my breath because ignorance is a common trait of the average simpleton).

No one in society under the age of 25 has had any say in our EU membership.

Do we let that slide until its anyone under 30 ? under 40 ? No one alive ?

 

[Simster]

No one in society under the age of 25 has had any say in our EU membership.

Do we let that slide until its anyone under 30 ? under 40 ? No one alive ?

Yes they have, we are a parliamentary democracy and as such we elect politicians to act in our best interests. For 40 years that's what they did, by staying in the EU. Then Cameron organised a badly thought through plebiscite and I'm afraid too many people didn't know what they were voting for. No shame in that, that's the whole point of a parliamentary democracy.

Now we are the point where no party dares touch Brexit in case they stoke tensions and are subject to accusations of not respecting democracy. It's a terrible situation.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Yes they have, we are a parliamentary democracy and as such we elect politicians to act in our best interests. For 40 years that's what they did, by staying in the EU. Then Cameron organised a badly thought through plebiscite and I'm afraid too many people didn't know what they were voting for. No shame in that, that's the whole point of a parliamentary democracy.

Now we are the point where no party dares touch Brexit in case they stoke tensions and are subject to accusations of not respecting democracy. It's a terrible situation.

You want to sell that idea to the SNP. They could use it to justify Scottish independence on the grounds that they are the elected representatives and their electors are too stupid to make the important decisions.

 

[Simster]

You want to sell that idea to the SNP. They could use it to justify Scottish independence on the grounds that they are the elected representatives and their electors are too stupid to make the important decisions.

Well they won 48 out of 59 seats in Scotland so it's not a particularly outlandish idea. Thanks to Brexit, most Scots want independence now anyway.

But I'd say a decision to become a self governing nation and break up a union of several hundred years is a rare example of a good reason to hold a referendum, because nationhood is a lot more encompassing than a decision to leave an economic trading bloc.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[WATFORD zero]

Certainly at the root of this current clusterf***. Since we voted in the referendum, we have managed to go through 4 prime ministers, 6 Chancellors and two GE's trying to 'Get Brexit Done'.

And since we actually finished the transition period and Brexit became real, 2 Prime ministers (3rd imminent), 4 chancellors and OBR reporting it's already cost twice what Covid did. And that's not even 2 years yet

Of course this could all be coincidence

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sorry about moving your post to here, but we wouldn't want to take the Liz Truss thread off topic

No, forget the 'oven ready' bit - that really is just remainer rhetoric.

The reason many pro Brexit voters (the ones that weren't racist, homophobic, zenophobic and thick - and whose normal inclination eould be to vote Labour) voted for the Tories is that they were the only party that could be trusted (yes, a strange word to use for the Tories, but in this case approppriate) to actually homour the result of the referendum and implement it - and actually leave the EU.

What is important now is for Labour to re-assure us that they will not try and take us back in. I know Starmer has said the right things, and the manifesto mentions working with the EU (so presumanly not within it) but I'm not 100% convinced that Labout members and activists - let alone the champagne socialist wing! - are 100% on message with the party's official stance. The next election is Labour's to lose - but they could still manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory if they try hard enough!

Are you really saying this didn't happen ?



It was his whole campaign

 

[Motogull]

And yet the shitspewing bungle**** still seems have significant support for a return to PM.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And yet the shitspewing bungle**** still seems have significant support for a return to PM.

Although I may have sympathies with the sentiment, I've just seen this has come up on the main board. Maybe the posts need to be adjusted accordingly

 

[B-right-on]

First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.

Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.

Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.

Just done the same. And agree, we along with everyone else here has to deal with the consequences and move on whatever we feel about it.

 

[Mellotron]

First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.

Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.

At what point are we allowed to want to go back in? “Get over it” is so childish.

 

[rogersix]

First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.

Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.

we are out at the moment, but as the economy is in such a parlous state, the obvious is beginning to coalesce in many millions of brains

remember, no trade deal from the yanks til we dissolve the union

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

At what point are we allowed to want to go back in? “Get over it” is so childish.

It could be regarded as childish, but it can be a more realistic comment meaning move on. I would think it's unlikely we will have any sort of vote about re-joining, so for the immediate future maybe it would be better than arguing about the situation we now find ourselves in. There again, who knows what may happen, we have had covid and Ukraine since and they weren't all that predictable.

 

[GT49er]

First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.

Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.

Quite agree. Maybe a foulmouthed, sneering, sarcastic and abusive rant or two at the remainers would be worth a couple of days ban to get the thread back where it belongs, in the Bear Pit?

Thank goodness for the 'ignore thread' (the one in our brains) - I shall continue to use it. There's no point in looking at this thread, and even less point in expressing an opinion which doesn't please the echo-chamber.

 

[rogersix]

It could be regarded as childish, but it can be a more realistic comment meaning move on. I would think it's unlikely we will have any sort of vote about re-joining, so for the immediate future maybe it would be better than arguing about the situation we now find ourselves in. There again, who knows what may happen, we have had covid and Ukraine since and they weren't all that predictable.

point of order, covid was a once in a century occurence, so entirely predictable

 

[GT49er]

At what point are we allowed to want to go back in? “Get over it” is so childish.

About 40 years maybe* - that was the gap between the first and second referendums (likewise between the Scottish Independence referendums). That would seem about right for something as monumental as a referendum - referendums every two or three years would be even more divisive than some people having to live without getting their own way.

*If there still is a EU in 40 years, that is.

 

[rogersix]

About 40 years maybe* - that was the gap between the first and second referendums (likewise between the Scottish Independence referendums). That would seem about right for something as monumental as a referendum - referendums every two or three years would be even more divisive than some people having to live without getting their own way.

*If there still is a EU in 40 years, that is.

we'll be in a federal states of europe by then

 

[B-right-on]

At what point are we allowed to want to go back in? “Get over it” is so childish.

Have you actually read some of the posts on here and you call me childish?

But to answer your question, 75% of the Leaves have wanted to not leave from day after the referendum.

 

[birthofanorange]

Have you actually read some of the posts on here and you call me childish?

But to answer your question, 75% of the Leaves have wanted to not leave from day after the referendum.

I'm surprised it's only 75%, tbh. Still, from my point of view, it's encouraging to see that an ever-increasing percentage are in favour of re-joining.
It's hardly been what one would call a success, has it?