[Politics] Brexit

[Titanic]

Moist.

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[maltaseagull]

We are going to get turned over. What we asked for and what we get back will be something completely different. This has happened so many times before with the EU, Ireland, Greece as examples, all because the EU is undemocratic, beaucratic and can never be reformed. Democracy is dead.

Looks like you are correct:

In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".
'Single market access'

His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.

"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.

"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.

"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wel just over half the country voted for out ( quite a few have already said they regretted doing so because they didn't realise what it meant , utter ****iwit morons, ) but just under half say they wanted to stay. In my life-time the country has never been more divided.

you'll get used to it eventually TRUST ME, people will be thinking in a few years what was the fuss all about
regards
DR

 

[Da Man Clay]

I feel about exactly the same as I did an hour ago. I imagine the markets will as well.

 

[Steve in Japan]

That was the sound of George throwing his hat in the ring for the top job.

 

[clippedgull]

After Osborne spoke Project Fear became Project Damp Squib!

He's now scrabbling around to try and get a decent position under the next Tory leader.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

How many signatures would it take? 2 million and rising.. I can't remember a petition ever having that may signatures can you?

YOU MIGHT AS WELL WIPE YOUR ARSE WITH IT, ANOTHER BIT OF USED TOILET PAPER get a grip and move on
regards
DR

 

[Deleted member 2719]

That was the sound of George throwing his hat in the ring for the top job.

Sounded like it.

I would go for that if he had at least 60 percent leavers in his cabinet.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

no i don't. I was clearly responding to a previous comment which was claiming that out voters were not racist, when clearly the statement should be modified to reflect that some are.

what a racist comment
regards
DR

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Who was it who said, now we are out UKIP is a busted flush! Maybe they will have to be voted in to get the change some of us were hoping for.

 

[clippedgull]

Osborne currently 10th in the list to get the top job and 28-1 with Bet365. So money to be made if anyone thinks he's a serious contender.

 

[drew]

I agree here. especially the party about manufacturing in the UK. Why not start to produce goods and services in the countries/areas that they are going to be used. Save money on transport and movement, increase employment and save the environment. It is a win win win. A political party offering this sort of simple logic to provide growth would get my vote.

Is that a serious comment. Perhaps you should ask that famous Leave supporter, James Dyson why he took manufacturing to Malaysia. If we want to manufacture again then we need to do it as cheaply as they do overseas so maybe you can kiss the living wage goodbye!!! Alternatively, you need to manufacture in a niche market but I'm sure it wouldn't take long for other countries to cotton on.

 

[nicko31]

If Boris Johnson is the next PM, I'd imagine he'd except freedom of movement (with some restrictions against future EU members such as Turkey) in exchange for free trade. Things aren't going to change dramatically unless we get Farage as PM.

Boris knew his game. Gets Farage to do the dirty work and win the blue collar and oldies vote. Out wins, Cam goes and puts him in pole. Free movement promise made, calms market, agreement with EU.

Outters lose on pulling up the draw bridge, Inners relieved economic implosion is avoided yet. No one completely happy except Boris

 

[Medwayseagull]

The man lost all credibility when he threatened his austerity budget during the campaign.

 

[drew]

Technically, no it wasn't.

However some (the majority?) of the leave vote will have assumed that it was (particularly given how it was sold by the Brexit team) and voted on that basis.

Are you seriously suggesting that some Leave voters may well have been hoodwinked?

 

[surrey jim]

That was the sound of George throwing his hat in the ring for the top job.

That was my take

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

All MP's on TV this morning treating the general public as complete and total mugs.
Chris Grayling needs to hang his head in shame.
I told you that Boris was not really a leaver and Corbyn was not a remained.
Everyone has just been playing games with a massive decision to meet their own political needs.
This will go on and on and on.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Is that a serious comment. Perhaps you should ask that famous Leave supporter, James Dyson why he took manufacturing to Malaysia. If we want to manufacture again then we need to do it as cheaply as they do overseas so maybe you can kiss the living wage goodbye!!! Alternatively, you need to manufacture in a niche market but I'm sure it wouldn't take long for other countries to cotton on.

We can of course have a workforce here for cheap manufacturing by getting rid of the living wage and halving the amount of benefit the unemployed get. This would mean hundreds of thousands of Brits would have to work, no matter what the job was. The "can work-won't work" class would disappear overnight. This would also cut immigration as there would be few jobs available.

Whilst this would make us the meanest country in Europe - it would actually align us with the US and their strict welfare system. Things like 6 day weeks and 2 weeks annual leave could then follow.

I'd also leave the UK if this happened.

 

[beorhthelm]

Osborne currently 10th in the list to get the top job and 28-1 with Bet365. So money to be made if anyone thinks he's a serious contender.

no one thinks hes a serious contender, hence 28-1. he has little public appeal and even among conservatives and MPs he hasnt set the world alight. austerity chancellor that failed to deliver any actual austerity, doesnt stick to policy, screws over others at the drop of hat. remember some of the cutting remarks after last autumn budget, one MP asked why they had won a conservative government but had a socialist budget.

 

[Diego Napier]

Can I also add, business has a massive part to play in this. Take for example a supplier, instead of rushing to China why can't the government invest a bit of money in manufacturing companies and look at getting products manufactured here. There are not enough of these types of jobs anymore, which is why people are feeling left out.

That's an irreversible process which has been going on since the 1960's. Britain's manufacturing base has been rapidly shrinking during a period when business's became complacent and successive governments didn't protect and invest sufficiently in them and also in educating and upskilling the workforce. Conservative governments in particular want to shrink state involvement (look at steel production in Wales) so they are unlikely to do as you say and invest in manufacturing companies. Globalisation and the availability of cheaper labour elsewhere in the world has resulted in companies moving their production overseas (eg. James Dyson, a supporter of Leave, moved production of his goods to Malaysia) and governments buying from abroad. We've all played our part too in helping shrink our industries by choosing to buying goods (cars, televisions, phones, anything!) from overseas.

The reduction in money earned globally from manufacturing has been compensated to a fair degree by the rise of the service sector, London becoming the centre of world finance, in part helped by being within the EU. Even in this sector though, governments have failed to train sufficient people and so the city is heavily reliant on overseas expertise to support finance and IT. This will continue but I suspect that the odds will lengthen on London retaining it's top dog position.