[Politics] Brexit

[dangull]

Oh yes, now i know the reason........ jeez.

Well it could influenced the 2% swing.

For the record, I slightly favoured leave, but now not so sure because the EU may not give us a good trade deal, as they are worried about other countries wanting to leave. And maybe break up of the UK.

 

[Soulman]

you keep telling yourself that. I'm assuming you voted for the farmers and fishermen who will now no longer get their EU grants, or for the £350m which we'll be spending on the NHS, a claim which Farage has already rubbished, or our steel industry, much of which is owned by Indian companies, or freedom of speech which is in no way affected by this debate, or for the sovereignty which we have always had (a point lost on this thread by all leave voters who clearly don't understand the concept of sovereignty).

Ultimately, you voted based on ignorance, poor information, racism and ignorance, and if you'd done any research into any of the issues prior to the referendum, you wouldn't be subjecting intelligent people to the crap that you've just written.

Quite frankly, it's shit like this that has made the intelligent elements of our country disgusted to be British. This is a victory for ignorance, fascism, racism and shown Britain's desire for survival over prosperity. That isn't a country that anyone with half a brain wants to live in for the next 40 years. So no, they haven't voted for their children and grandchildren, they've voted for themselves. And if you and half of the country want to stand next to the Farages and Johnsons and Goves of this world, then that shows what a pathetic, disgusting nation we really have become.

And there sir, you have posted just about the most bigoted, small minded and pompous post for a while.....try reading your one eyed nasty "opinion" again.
Thankfully i would never tar Remainers with the same brush having close family and friends among them.

 

[studio150]

The explaining and debating was done over hundreds of pages on the EU threads, no need to explain now/again, it will not change your opinion or indeed the vote.
Constant nick picking is not going to change the result.

You can no doubt provide a link to the threads to which you refer where the benefits to farmers will be laid out

 

[Seagull58]

It's going to be Greenland, apparently.

That's not what I said, not by any stretch of the imagination. The poster said there was no precedent for anyone leaving the EU and I pointed out that there was, and they've done pretty well subsequently.

 

[Stato]

The last one can't be true, because it wasn't about racism, you know

On this note I was shaking my head listening to Labour MP John Mann on 'The Last Leg' yesterday. When asked how much of the Leave vote was down to racists supporters of parties like the BNP he replied 'Virtually none.'

Whilst it is not fair to label anyone who voted leave as racist, it is completely disingenuous for anyone on the leave side to suggest that it was not a factor for some of their votes. Half a million people voted for the BNP at the 2010 election. Although the party's support slipped away in 2015, the people who supported them did not become multi-culturalists, they just switched to other parties speaking the language of the far right. UKIP being the largest of these. Few of us would guess that any voted remain.

Mann didn't seem to be so oblivious to the fact that people can hold opinions based on bigotry when he was angrily labelling Ken Livingstone an anti-semite for his own purposes. Disgusting dishonesty.

 

[Triggaaar]

The disappointment of yesterday has been replaced by the hilarity of quite a few not realising what they voted for and expecting nothing to happen.

But that was from the bloody council!

 

[East Preston Gull]

Nice club to belong to when a member leaves they get kneecapped

This. Our decision here has shown up the EU for what it is. An unelected( by normal people), vicious regime that belongs back in its Soviet Union roots.
France agrees with this idea and is crippling itself. The Germans seem to be more open to the real world of business and we must now hope Merkel starts the process of sending these Drunken Dinosaurs back to the Federal old people's home where they belong.



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[Aveacarlin']

I blame the bookmakers ridiculous odds of 1/7 at times for remain, leading to some of the remainers not bothering to vote because they didn't think they needed too, or some voting to leave as a protest, thinking it wouldn't effect the over all result.

This made me laugh. Thanks

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[GoldWithFalmer]

Shock horror - leave supporter wants to pick brains of remainers after they voted for something that they didn't understand the implications of.

Not quite so yet all I hear from remain side is how the world will end and negativity......I for one would like a leave activist to head negotiations with the EU and implement a clean break fro the EU with article 50 activated with immediate effect..

I don't wish us to do a deal and yet allow freedom of movement for that is not what I voted for..

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I think that is a question for the Leavers.

So you want to leave the Sun reading, uneducated elements of our society, on top of the OAPs who won't be here to fully enjoy the country we're so desperate to create, to the job of deciding what happens to a whole country?

Yeh... I see no flaws in your argument.

 

[Soulman]

You can no doubt provide a link to the threads to which you refer where the benefits to farmers will be laid out

The explaining and debating was done over hundreds of pages on the EU threads, no need to explain now/again, it will not change your opinion or indeed the vote.
Constant nick picking is not going to change the result.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Maybe they can reuse the lies they told us last time - that'd save them all a fortune!

Oh THOSE lies. Like "I'll have a referendum in our place in the EU".

 

[mothy]

I can't admit I voted leave in public. They just don't get it. At school pickup I excused my tiredness as being due to watching the election all night - the reply I got was a rant about how could people be so stupid. I decided to keep quiet

This is the problem with the remain twits. Unfaltering belief they know best & everyone (even a majority) else is wrong.

I love the petition they've started to give themselves hope they'll get another chance - (which would destroy democracy if it did)

Lots of them will be starting therapy on Monday as they can't work out what's going on.

Makes me crack up (with laughter)

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Serious question to the leave camp - When's the £350m per week extra to the NHS starting?

And how quickly is our whole legal system going to be rewritten?

And when are we getting rid of all the foreigners so us good ol' English people can start working and not claiming benefits again?

 

[brightn'ove]

Sign of someone that cannot accept democracy.

Some leave voters were worried about voting with a pencil.

 

[portslade seagull]

Did I say that everyone in the older generation voted leave? The majority of over 65s voted leave and the majority of 18-40s voted to remain. That is a fact.

Surely the vote is secret so nobody really knows who voted what. There is nothing on the voting card to indicate age

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Don't Switzerland and Norway have very high levels of immigration (higher than the UK?) which seems to be the main reason why many people here voted to leave in the first place? So yes you can negotiate back your ability to trade freely in Europe but at the cost of having to allow free movement of people as well. I can't see the EU giving us (at a cost of many billions per year) the trade benefit & ability of UK people to travel freely round Europe without also having to allow free movement of people into the UK from the EU?

Yes.

But be clear. The question on the ballot was simply remain or leave the EU.

There is nothing there about free movement or immigration.


Everything beyond the act of leaving is detail, and a negotiating point.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Well we were in a position of huge debt but our credit rating was considered as 'stable' and we were considered as strong enough to get through it.

Now our currency has collapsed, the scots are off and many of the financial institutions that power our economy are looking to relocate (all predicted to those who were listening).. our credit rating has been redefined as 'negative' - just 48 hours after 'patriots' voted us out.

I cannot see a way forward yet to be honest - I am just still so angry at those who have destroyed the UK I love. Cameron and Osbourne are as detestable as Corbyn is a wet lettuce. Farage and Boris are being forced to admit their lies (who'd have thought it!) - who now are the right people to take us forward?

Shame Sturgeon is not English because as the minority country we are about to become - we might just need one of those.

Credit rating dropped a small amount surprised we had AAA to begin with when we have debt level 66% net of annual GDP (who and how did we get that level) I as an individual would never-

As for Scotland my thoughts are the EU should say that although they voted remain, they voted as part of the UK and as such should try for independence obtain a currency and action plan and go through the process of application to join the EU at a future date.

 

[brightn'ove]

How are these answers bigoted?

"I went to Calais the other day. There were 50 fishing boats in the harbour. Margate has got one."
"I don't like Cameron. He's a politician. I want Boris. He's an entertainer-politician."

The EU's biased approach to fishing rights is one of the things that made me want to leave the EU.

You obviously know which ones I was talking about [emoji849].

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

The best one I've heard is "I'm leaving because I don't want my children and grandchildren marrying those ****ing Muslims".

It was a cracker.

I thought he was joking. He wasn't. Unfortunately, this was at the same time his wide was using zero hour contracts as a justification to leave the EU. Apparently the Muslims are the cause of those too. They come over here, taking our jobs.

Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. It's everywhere.