[Politics] Brexit

[JCL666]

In all honesty I really don't know.



For now it's about carry on as usual but looking at contingencies (My family are giving serious consideration to moving), but I'm not that hopeful. Mainly as the bureaucracy and cost of leaving looks like it will be painful, and the instability in the near to medium future is worrying.

 

[dingodan]

Sounds a lot like changing the EU Constitution to the Lisbon Treaty to me. Same sh*t different name. No thanks. Let's have a friendly, cooperative and voluntary relationship with Europe like we do with any other nation. We have a great relationship with the U.S. without having to be an Associate State of America.

 

[Triggaaar]

How about the guy on the news last night who voted for the UK to leave the EU to stop the Muslim immigrants?

What, you mean that out of over 17 million who voted to leave, some of them are stupid racists? Well I never.

 

[BUTTERBALL]

There is no question whatsoever that a compromise will be brokered. It is in the interests of not only the UK and Europe, but for the world's economy and stability. Makes sense from every perspective.

 

[Biscuit]

Let's face it this result has come as a shock to many on here, which is why the insults and snarling and bitter posts/threads are appearing.
The endless polls which gleefully showed the IN camp well in front, but just representing the bubble that is Brighton along the South coast.
The project fear has reared its head again barely 24 hours after the UK voted OUT.

Project Fear? More like Project Fact. Have you not been watching the news?

 

[Gabbafella]

Some proper butthurt, bad losers on here.
We are out of the EU, get over it.
You had your vote like everyone else and the majority won, that's how it works.

 

[dingodan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

 

[Biscuit]

My comment wasn't a left/right, stay/leave issue because years ago The Sun backed Blair and that influenced millions. There should be a free press but not Murdoch's interpretation of it-again, only my opinion.

Sadly anyone one takes on Murdoch doesn't last long. The man knows how to appeal to the uneducated masses. The only person brave enough to try and clip his wings recently was Ed Milliband, and look how that ended up. Forget his policies - the man can't eat a bacon sarnie. Vote blue instead, they'll look after the low earners and those worse off in society.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

"I'm English aren't I?"

"I'm a bad loser aren't I"

 

[Soulman]

.......Had to be done.

Petition: Let's have a 4th referendum to ban the petition about the 2nd & 3rd.........

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/137294/moderation-info

 

[larus]

I've not seen many people react based on that volatility..maybe you just mix with in your words thick people

I don't know as I'm basing it on the moments on the various threads of peop0le crying on here. Wanting another referendum because they didn't get their way. So, if the next referendum was remain by 1%, would the first 1 count, of would it be best of 3.

Remain lost. Deal with it and move forward.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Then don't use the "Well Nigel does it", as an defense for others doing it, or doing it yourself.

I was merely using it as an example. Any narrow result was always going to result in someone, somewhere calling for a second referendum. If this one had been as decisive, either way, as the AV referendum in 2011, nobody would.

 

[Mayonaise]

Well we were in a position of huge debt but our credit rating was considered as 'stable' and we were considered as strong enough to get through it.

Now our currency has collapsed, the scots are off and many of the financial institutions that power our economy are looking to relocate (all predicted to those who were listening).. our credit rating has been redefined as 'negative' - just 48 hours after 'patriots' voted us out.

I cannot see a way forward yet to be honest - I am just still so angry at those who have destroyed the UK I love. Cameron and Osbourne are as detestable as Corbyn is a wet lettuce. Farage and Boris are being forced to admit their lies (who'd have thought it!) - who now are the right people to take us forward?

Shame Sturgeon is not English because as the minority country we are about to become - we might just need one of those.

 

[larus]

Project Fear? More like Project Fact. Have you not been watching the news?

So you are really basing your reaction on the markets on the first day after the vote.

You're obviously not blessed with much on the way of intelligence are you? If you really believe your comment then you are really dumb.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

This is totally false. The British high tech industry is booming.

I was painting in broad brush strokes. Yep we have tons of knowledge. The EU *will* be fine without us.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

We've got to bring back national service first, rescind the smoking ban and allow the banks, assuming any are left, to require all women to have their Father's or Husband's permission to open an account.

That'll really show Johnny Foreigner we're not taken anymore of this bureaucratic political correctness gone mad.

Do you really think that the UK has progressed in the past 40 years only because we were part of the EU? It's amazing that the USA has been able to have a black president and maybe a women president, when they have not been part of the EU.

 

[Biscuit]

So you are really basing your reaction on the markets on the first day after the vote.

You're obviously not blessed with much on the way of intelligence are you? If you really believe your comment then you are really dumb.

I'm looking longer term than the first day of the vote, and I'm looking wider than the economic implications of the vote.

Believe what you like about my intelligence, I feel no need to explain my academic achievements to you.

 

[pb21]

What, you mean that out of over 17 million who voted to leave, some of them are stupid racists? Well I never.

You asked:

"How are these answers bigoted?"

To someone who suggested that there is a:

"Slight difference between not giving an answer and being an overt bigot."

So I was just pointing out a bigoted answer that I presume you had missed, as otherwise you wouldn't have asked originally:

"How are these answers bigoted?"

 

[studio150]

Already answered this in post #50 - The claim is that the EU brought peace and stability to the whole of Europe, not just member states and Yugoslavia was in Europe so that claim of peace and stability is false.

Besides, why couldn't we have agreements in place, despite not being in the Eu, to protect and come to the aid of our allies should they come under threat from another country (like we had with countries like France before the World Wars) and the difference now is that the threat of nuclear weapons mean that countries are not going to risk sparking a war by invading someone else (would Germany ever invade Nuclear armed France?)

We went to Kuwait's aid when they were invaded by Iraq (despite them not being members of the EU) Surely that couldn't happen by the logic that the EU is the only thing guaranteeing a country's safety and preventing war

The claim that being part of the EU was is the only way to provide this safety to other countries is false

A civil war is an internal matter therefore mutual defence agreements do not apply.

Or would you prefer the invasion of a country on the pretext of defending EU citizens.

 

[Superseagull]

To answer the original question my understanding of the Associate Member option which could be on the table is the Norwegian model and as their Foreign Minister said last week "you won't like it". It involves paying in for access to trade agreements but with no rebates or grants coming back. No advantages in our situation and more importantly none of the savings promised by the Leave campaign.
The Swiss have been negotiating one-off trade agreements with the EU since it began and are still doing so on an "as needed" basis. There is no universal quick fix. They'll be negotiating fundamental trade agreements long after we are all dead and gone. They are in a position of relative strength of course because of their banking industry while the withdrawal of our EU licence which goes with membership means that much of our financial services strength will be diluted as every financial institution trading in the EU has to have an EU-based headquarters. Morgan and BNP Parinas have already said their main operations will leave London for Paris and they are only the vanguard of an unavoidable migration away from the UK.

Don't Switzerland and Norway have very high levels of immigration (higher than the UK?) which seems to be the main reason why many people here voted to leave in the first place? So yes you can negotiate back your ability to trade freely in Europe but at the cost of having to allow free movement of people as well. I can't see the EU giving us (at a cost of many billions per year) the trade benefit & ability of UK people to travel freely round Europe without also having to allow free movement of people into the UK from the EU?