[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

All that matters is the future. Thus the key issue is: all other things being equal will leaving the EU damage the UK economy?

There are three answers: yes, no and don't know. Of the three answers 1 and 3 are the most compelling in terms of informed predictions and these favour 1. End of - and we now await the out-turn. Hope I'm wrong; fear I'm right.

You are absolutely right that only the future matters.

And if Johnson keeps his promises and we don't have new procedures and administration on an Irish Sea Border, and we get friction-less trade with the EU without being subject to their rules and regulations, and we successfully replace the other 40 EU trade deals by the end of this year, then I can see no reason for the UK economy to suffer whatsoever.

In fact, if that happens I will probably become a Johnson/Brexit supporter

 

[ManOfSussex]

So it's an easy one - no graft required from Johnson at all. He can put his feet up.

Yep. Very clever, but very simple though. We saw it in 2016 in the campaign with the 'Australian style points system' being a central part of it. Now you just call no deal an 'Australian style deal' and the pup will get sold because it's got 'Australia' in the title, so it's bound to be good. Surprised it took them so long to think it up and use it in hindsight.

 

[beorhthelm]

You were indeed quoting Eurozone which the UK have never been part of

EU GDP growth was 1.5% outperforming the UK both annually and quarterly

while its fun arguing over 0.1% either way (which will be revised anyway), we should be mindful that the numbers themselves arent clever for anyone. we're all flirting with recession across Europe, regardless of brexit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yep. Very clever, but very simple though. We saw it in 2016 in the campaign with the 'Australian style points system' being a central part of it. Now you just call no deal an 'Australian style deal' and the pup will get sold because it's got 'Australia' in the title, so it's bound to be good. Surprised it took them so long to think it up and use it in hindsight.

Here comes the victim mentality again. Those nasty EU types are being unreasonable and ridiculous.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-eu-trade-demands-are-ridiculous-and-unreasonable-11935283

Get over it. You just lost 27-1.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5XeL04mP64
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You were indeed quoting Eurozone which the UK have never been part of

EU GDP growth was 1.5% outperforming the UK both annually and quarterly

you must have sleepless nights
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Makes me laugh reading all these posts telling us that leave voters are pant pissing and that JCFG is a bitter man. The only pant pissing and bitterness I can see is coming from the usual suspects i.e. remainers.

remaining in what ? , a state of shock
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Just shows you what a limp grasp some people have on the details of Brexit. As I said earlier in the thread you could have just told them we have left, give them a commemorative coin and not actually left (which is pretty much what has happened, except they’ve charged them a tenner for the coin) . They wouldn’t notice because they have no idea what our membership of the EU entails.

What's this membership you speak of ,i'm intrigued
regards
DF

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Here comes the victim mentality again. Those nasty EU types are being unreasonable and ridiculous.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-eu-trade-demands-are-ridiculous-and-unreasonable-11935283

Get over it. You just lost 27-1.

The Enthusiasts' narrative on this has been clear since before the referendum: "It will be the easiest deal in history and if it isn't then it proves that they hate us and want to punish us."

If I was a PR man I would be quite proud of that win-win argument. If I was an ordinary voter and didn't see straight through it I would be quite ashamed.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Sorry, you’re quite right. I appear to have omitted the comma between ‘it’ and ‘shithead’.
It should of course read “Well I’m back. Deal with it, shithead”.

My deepest apologies.

And you call leavers 'thickos' ..... pot etc .....

 

[melias shoes]

It is quite odd. I'm not remotely bothered about Brexit right now. Also, I'm not remotely bothered about Boris filling his cabinet with nodding dogs. Either Boris and Cummings will smash all the problems, or they won't. At least we now have absolute clarity, we can see who is in charge - a far cry from the shambles under Mrs May, and indeed the utter joke of a strategy offered by Corbyn. If Boris succeeds, he will be re-elected. If he fails (and if Steer Calmer wins the labour leadership contest), he won't. Politics has suddenly become pleasingly simpler.





















In my dreams.

You're right Harry......... in your dreams...

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You're right Harry......... in your dreams...

He needs to come too terms with reality rather than ignoring things he doesn't like , a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down


Regards
DF

 

[vegster]

It is quite odd. I'm not remotely bothered about Brexit right now. Also, I'm not remotely bothered about Boris filling his cabinet with nodding dogs. Either Boris and Cummings will smash all the problems, or they won't. At least we now have absolute clarity, we can see who is in charge - a far cry from the shambles under Mrs May, and indeed the utter joke of a strategy offered by Corbyn. If Boris succeeds, he will be re-elected. If he fails (and if Steer Calmer wins the labour leadership contest), he won't. Politics has suddenly become pleasingly simpler.





















In my dreams.

The problem is, how much damage will Johnson do in this parliament, he has a large majority, virtually all of them " Brexit rabid yes men " rather than free thinking or innovative politicians. Anyone who could form a more moderate or alternate group within the Tory's was either dumped before or at the last election, no one can stand up to Johnson with an alternate view and we have just witnessed that anyone who might shine a little too bright, like Julian Smith ex NI minister, will be offloaded.

It was hilarious to hear people saying that they could not trust Corbyn and then voted for Johnson. Christmas 2019 is a classic example of what the real trust issues are, Johnson had three weeks in a grace and favour chalet in Mustique which some unknown person has paid for and Corbyn almost certainly as usual, would have been helping out at his local Homeless Shelter. The worry is that he has pledged to " Level Out " the economy but thanks to the inept Brexit we look like getting our economy can't provide the taxes to support it as our costs grow from the imposition of trade barriers. So we may be able to spaff billions on Johnsons vanity projects of pie in the sky bridges and buses and HS2 but most of us will have to pay for them.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The problem is, how much damage will Johnson do in this parliament, he has a large majority, virtually all of them " Brexit rabid yes men " rather than free thinking or innovative politicians. Anyone who could form a more moderate or alternate group within the Tory's was either dumped before or at the last election, no one can stand up to Johnson with an alternate view and we have just witnessed that anyone who might shine a little too bright, like Julian Smith ex NI minister, will be offloaded.

It was hilarious to hear people saying that they could not trust Corbyn and then voted for Johnson. Christmas 2019 is a classic example of what the real trust issues are, Johnson had three weeks in a grace and favour chalet in Mustique which some unknown person has paid for and Corbyn almost certainly as usual, would have been helping out at his local Homeless Shelter. The worry is that he has pledged to " Level Out " the economy but thanks to the inept Brexit we look like getting our economy can't provide the taxes to support it as our costs grow from the imposition of trade barriers. So we may be able to spaff billions on Johnsons vanity projects of pie in the sky bridges and buses and HS2 but most of us will have to pay for them.

A bit like free wi fi
Regards
DF

 

[The Clamp]

And you call leavers 'thickos' ..... pot etc .....

You really have run out of anything remotely original/witty to say haven’t you . Although I struggle to think of a time when either of those attributes could apply to you

 

[The Clamp]

The problem is, how much damage will Johnson do in this parliament, he has a large majority, virtually all of them " Brexit rabid yes men " rather than free thinking or innovative politicians. Anyone who could form a more moderate or alternate group within the Tory's was either dumped before or at the last election, no one can stand up to Johnson with an alternate view and we have just witnessed that anyone who might shine a little too bright, like Julian Smith ex NI minister, will be offloaded.

It was hilarious to hear people saying that they could not trust Corbyn and then voted for Johnson. Christmas 2019 is a classic example of what the real trust issues are, Johnson had three weeks in a grace and favour chalet in Mustique which some unknown person has paid for and Corbyn almost certainly as usual, would have been helping out at his local Homeless Shelter. The worry is that he has pledged to " Level Out " the economy but thanks to the inept Brexit we look like getting our economy can't provide the taxes to support it as our costs grow from the imposition of trade barriers. So we may be able to spaff billions on Johnsons vanity projects of pie in the sky bridges and buses and HS2 but most of us will have to pay for them.

Anyone with any sense can see Johnson grabbed Brexit because he saw it as a chance to gain power and make a LOT of money. He will destroy Britain for his own gain.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Anyone with any sense can see Johnson grabbed Brexit because he saw it as a chance to gain power and make a LOT of money. He will destroy Britain for his own gain.

I agree with all that but the last bit. Why would he want to destroy Britain? His vanity would like a legacy. I don't like him or trust him, and would never leave him alone with my missus, but he's not Davros

 

[The Clamp]

I agree with all that but the last bit. Why would he want to destroy Britain? His vanity would like a legacy. I don't like him or trust him, and would never leave him alone with my missus, but he's not Davros

View attachment 120199

Ha! Maybe. Perhaps he’ll destroy it by mistake.
I once heard him described as “ a man who would die leading a cavalry charge into a volcano”.

Couldn’t help but chuckle and agree.

 

[kemptown kid]

Ha! Maybe. Perhaps he’ll destroy it by mistake.
I once heard him described as “ a man who would die leading a cavalry charge into a volcano”.

Couldn’t help but chuckle and agree.

I suspect he would find a way of being out of town after ordering the cavalry charge.

 

[Lever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_6jnnMzAc

interesting debate.... worth a listen.
Anyone recognise themselves here?