[Politics] Brexit

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They’re probably just saying that to shut their mother up.

 

[birthofanorange]

I've never actually considered opting out of 'the future' as a national policy. But I do look good in fur and I like rare meat so who knows

You make it sound almost attractive.

 

[vegster]

Do you not think that you getting beer is rather a simplistic way of judging such matters?

I just used that as a small example of free movement and trade. Obviously that will get harder once we are no longer in the EU.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And, again, in English ?

#getbackcontrolofourpunctuationandspellingFFS

 

[WATFORD zero]

#getbackcontrolofourpunctuationandspellingFFS

What would Willy Pope have made of it

 

[vegster]

Yes, this 'shackled' bit troubles me, too. Might it be that for some ridiculous reason, we cannot just easily 'walk away' from decades of (mostly ) co-dependence? Surely, as the Leave campaign insisted, it would be the easiest thing in the world?
How dare they make things difficult - not that they have.....we have.
As an aside, did anyone see that idiot Tim 'Mr. Wetherspoons' Martin on 'The Briefing', during the morning news? All I could see was Percy, from 'Blackadder'.

Tim Martin always seems to have the persona and diction of someone who has been forced to exist solely on Cider for six months.

 

[albion68]

Had a quick trip to Belgium a couple of weeks ago to pick up a few crates of their nice beers. Seamless trip there and back, minimum fuss getting through Customs at Dover and Dunkirk, went via Poperinge and saw an old abandoned border post on the road that marked the French/ Belgian border.
At the beer warehouse we had some great banter with a Belgian chap who had been to Brighton several times on a 2CV rally with pals. He jokingly said " What are you doing stealing OUR beer?

No problems coming back either, never felt " shackled " at any point, we just felt part of something bigger.

There are some good things about being in the EU as well as bad ,cleaning up the seas ,especially around Brighton was a good thing ,and the referendum was close and i would have thought fine if Remain had won ,but what the majority Remain MP`s and the Remain Prime Minister have done was totally unexpected ,not forgetting the EU dismayed we would have the nerve to leave will not meet us halfway

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What would Willy Pope have made of it

Or old Lawrence. He used to write all my spelling errors at the end of my work, then add 'Bunsen burner, litmus paper, cobalt chloride, electron' etc by way of mocking me, the epitome of the aesthetically ignorant scientist that I was (5L English class, science subdivision). I saw it as a badge of honour. The pompus, condescending old fart.

 

[The Oldman]

What would Willy Pope have made of it

The best English Teacher ever but Ken Garland was a great History teacher.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There are some good things about being in the EU as well as bad ,cleaning up the seas ,especially around Brighton was a good thing ,and the referendum was close and i would have thought fine if Remain had won ,but what the majority Remain MP`s and the Remain Prime Minister have done was totally unexpected ,not forgetting the EU dismayed we would have the nerve to leave will not meet us halfway

Steady. You have acquired a semi (a semi-ALF: space before the comma syndrome, with added loss of space after it, hence the semi). If you start feeling especially hostile towards Catholics, Muslims or socialists, take an aspirin and recite the mantra 'I must, I must, I must increase my bust'.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

So if we never joined in 1974 ? would Britain now be on its knees without Big Brother EU ,and we could not find some way of buying cars from Germany .we were an economic wasteland ?

Of course it's almost literally impossible to craft a parallel narrative of the UK 1973-2019 outside of the EEC/EU. Who knows, we might have been better off? (Personally I think that doesn't stack up.) But the point is that we have been in the EEC/EU 1973-2019 and are now arguing about whether and how to extract ourselves during which time everyone accepts that we have developed a myriad of mutual dependencies. Indeed, one of the pillars of the Brexiteer's case is that we have been hugely in thrall to the EU in this time - but that somehow (especially in the no deal perspective) we can be free in a single bound or with just a few bumps in the road.
Of course, it could be that the short term disruption (to put it at its absolute mildest) will reap longer term benefits - but these have never been convincingly explained, other than in the most generically optimistic fashion - that there is a queue of fast-growing countries awaiting the privilege of doing trade deals with us. Let's run with this fantasy for a minute. In such a situation as we bounced out of the close trading relationships with our existing partners, who will (to use a Brexiteer term that has proved to be totally false) 'hold all the cards' in these new negotiations?
Is there ANY evidence at all that this has been thought-through? The floor is yours, Leavers...………………..

 

[portlock seagull]

So you agree that they haven't done anything. They couldn't do anything because we couldn't (and still can't) tell them what it is we actually want.

What are they supposed to do, use psychic powers to guess what we want. They, like so many of the UK population, have been bemused bystanders watching this whole entirely predictable narrative of a complete clusterf*** play out.

But of course it's their fault

When? WHEN?! Will many realise that the patronising (you know what that means, right?!) etc approach to getting people onside doesn’t work? You’ve gotta be stupid, really stupid, not to have learnt this over the past 4 years.

 

[portlock seagull]

? TM to EU, you need us more than we need you, we will be leaving the single market and the customs union, and anything that requires the ECJ to have authority, EU say ok, but you have a Treaty with our member Ireland, and that means there should be no customs border in Ireland, and citizens on both sides of the open border should have equal rights, so you will have to have customs checks between the mainland and the N.I. TM says, no way EU, what we want is a customs union with you, but only a loose one so we can do other deals. EU says, not sure how that would work but we will give it a go in the next stage, but if that doesn't work out, what then? TM says, well, how about we promise to stay in the customs union till we get that sorted, and N.I. stays in the single market sort of. EU says, not sure, sounds like you are getting a bit of good single market access without the responsibilities. TM says, but it won't be forever,EU says ok then, so long as it's only temporary. T.M. comes back and asks Parliament what they think, and they tell her to **** off, should have asked us first before drawing those bloody red lines, or this temporary thing you've asked for that could last forever, she goes back and asks, can we leave this temporary solution anytime we like, and they say, well no, not without putting something else there to make sure YOUR agreement with Ireland holds. TM says, ok I will ask again, Parliament says, we told you to **** off with this last time, whats new? TM, nothing. Parliament, well **** off again then. TM. OK, message understood, you want me to **** off, I will, but only if you say yes to my deal. Parliament is considering how firmly it tells her to **** off again at the moment. How is the EU the difficult one?

Did you copy and paste that from official records?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The best English Teacher ever but Ken Garland was a great History teacher.

The best teacher ever was the Latin teacher and form master of 4L (Ross). He used to slide down his chair till he almost disappeared under the desk. He was mesmorizing, never raised his voice, and maintained a 'pin drop' silence.

The worst was Rusty Reynolds - nice lad but couldn't control an anaesthetised tortoise. He'd end up missing fingers
Oh, Looby Jones was shit too. An irritable and much less talented version of Severus Snape.

 

[Baldseagull]

Sorry, you are struggling, Found a SAUCE to dumb it down for you ..

So 2 out of 3 showed no increase in support for a referendum and 1 did. And he states a tendency he has observed that less people say yes to a second referendum if you say remain is on the ballot, but within the text of Watfords link, he describes it differently, he says "But when Leave supporters are asked whether there should be another referendum on the principle of Brexit, only one in eight are in favour." The way he describes the question in Watfords link seems to me, that when Leavers are asked if they wanted another Leave/Remain referendum 1 in 8 do, when you just say a peoples vote on the deal, 1 in 4 leavers want it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Did you copy and paste that from official records?

Thanks for bouncing that - I hadn't seen it (what with all the other bollocks on the thread, including my own). Rolled around laughing at it. Sums it up perfectly. I would need to be so drunk I couldn't stand, and I'd have long ago solied myself, in order to come up with that sequence of plans. That or not remotely interested.

She's thick, isn't she It has to be the explanation.

 

[albion68]

And, again, in English ?

Forgive my grammar i do not do writing very much in my job .What part of my post do you not understand rather then disagree with ?.

 

[Mellotron]

The thing is, I truly don't *feel* controlled, nor fearful of immigration, not worried about being conscripted into a Euro Army, nor about bent bananas, litres instead of pints, etc..etc. and I don't think many people really were, until given the option to vote in this ridiculous charade of a referendum.
I like freedom of movement. I enjoy inclusiveness. I think we prosper as a culture, from within, rather than without.
Can't speak for you, obviously, but I honestly see leaving as a retrograde step, for myriad reasons.

I think a feeling helplessness, anger and fear of the EU just MIGHT in part have something to do with which newspapers people read. Just sometimes.

 

[Baldseagull]

I don't post lies.

Get used to the fact that (despite popular crap spouted) plenty of intelligent people voted - and will vote if needed again - to leave the EU.

I also know of a law graduate and an economics graduate who voted leave and will do again...

Some replies here pointed me to Polls! Polls?! Haha! Look at the mixed message polls before the Country voted leave. Look at Polls before several GEs...

Edit, didn't tally.

 

[Grombleton]

You actually believe Polls despite history showing they are so often wrong they are pointless in many cases?

IIRC, a major exit Poll in 2016 showed remain had won...

Answer the question.