[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

But a clear majority don't want a referendum if remain is an option according to polls while many claim people have changed their minds about staying/leaving by a lesser extent according to polls, so we should have a referendum with remain as an option. The public had a democratic say in the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election how many times would you like to ask them before you think their democratic choice should be enacted?

According to the research I have seen the change in the opinion polls has mainly been due to people who couldn't decide and be bothered to vote last time saying they would now mainly vote remain next time (would they bother to vote?) and demographics (old voters dying off), very few have changed their minds.

Any chance of you sharing these polls and research that you keep seeing with the rest of the class

 

[ManOfSussex]

So is the withdrawal agreement on its own compatible with Labour's preferred Brexit ?

If it did pass, and it's a BIG 'if' to the point of being purely just hypothetical as it surely won't tomorrow, wouldn't Labour have the ERG/Tory Brexiteers in their pocket over the PD if they voted for it, and The Tories would also run the risk of The DUP pulling the plug on the C&SA if it did anyway?

 

[albion68]

You mean this sort of thing?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ed-minds-brexit-remain-would-win-second-vote/

It's been done by EXPERTS though and we don't care what they THINK any more.

The point is that it doesn't matter if people haven't changed their minds. Remain would still be likely to win.

I wonder what the opinion polls said before 2016 referendum ,the BBC commentators looked quite the shocked and gloomy the morning after.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Most won't but some will, some will have died. Both my own parents in their 70's have changed their minds. One admits they were conned, the other has a massive guilt trip over the grand kids future

But it doesn't take many, it was close and should have never been attempted with such a small margin of victory

I'm sure you played your part convincing them of the error of their ways. On the plus side, both my parents have switched the other way... they have this strange old fashioned notion of always respecting democratic results.

 

[vegster]

If it did pass, and it's a BIG 'if' to the point of being purely just hypothetical as it surely won't tomorrow, wouldn't Labour have the ERG/Tory Brexiteers in their pocket over the PD if they voted for it, and The Tories would also run the risk of The DUP pulling the plug on the C&SA if it did anyway?

I fear it might just scrape through this time. May and her team have shaved off some of the points of the withdrawal and promised to throw herself under a bus if it gets through thus giving some of the waverers a view of the " sunny uplands " of the relationship with Europe when she is not around. However, its awfully undemocratic to keep bashing away with the same old " deal " time after time until it passes.

 

[albion68]

Take away those red lines that throw Northern Ireland under a bus and you may still be able to have your Brexit.

The cultish behaviour of the Brexiteers over the last 2 and a half years has created the situation. They are their own worst enemy....

I thought two thirds of the MP`s were Remain . Were they not making it more difficult for Brexit to go through ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If it did pass, and it's a BIG 'if' to the point of being purely just hypothetical as it surely won't tomorrow, wouldn't Labour have the ERG/Tory Brexiteers in their pocket over the PD if they voted for it, and The Tories would also run the risk of The DUP pulling the plug on the C&SA if it did anyway?

Seeing as the PD is non-binding, it could be ripped up anyway by the next PM, so might as well be a blank page, I suppose.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yes, and those are the vast majority of people wanting another referendum. Not many leavers want one.

Yes, although having another vote is supported by a clear majority until people realise Remain will be an option.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes, although having another vote is supported by a clear majority until people realise Remain will be an option.

In which case it will still be supported by a majority, just not quite as many.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm sure you played your part convincing them of the error of their ways. On the plus side, both my parents have switched the other way... they have this strange old fashioned notion of always respecting democratic results.

I'm sure you played your part convincing them of the error of their ways. On the plus side, both my parents have switched the other way... they have this strange old fashioned notion of always stopping and thinking before throwing themselves off a cliff

 

[Grombleton]

All this rubbish about remain being in the majority surfacing again so soon after the 'massive' numbers wanting a sheeples vote turned out a bit short of 18 million?
About time the so-called elite recalled their maths lessons!

The idea of 'sheep', as you so comically used it would denote that it goes with the crowd; the majority.

As the 'majority' voted to Leave, wouldn't that make you the sheep?

Also, the elite are the ones that forced this. The Tories. But then, you're a clever guy and knew that, right?

 

[nicko31]

I'm sure you played your part convincing them of the error of their ways. On the plus side, both my parents have switched the other way... they have this strange old fashioned notion of always respecting democratic results.

Actually with both of mine we didn't mention the B word for 18 months after the vote, just too divisive.

But slowly both of them have realised for different reasons their decision was an error of judgement.

Have to give it to leave side they may have cheated and it may have been criminal in places but it was highly effective

Meanwhile, Putin will be praying tonight that May's deal passes tomorrow

 

[Dick Head]

Having now seen that ALL forms of exit from the EU will lead to us being worse off in so many ways, how could anyone still vote leave if given the choice ?

Because once they were happily disinterested but then Cameron's referendum turned them into fanatical zealots.

 

[Chicken Run]

Fair enough - and in the unlikely event that anecdotal evidence sees a perfect 50/50 split of changed minds, there is still the demographic shift. Remain still wins, hence Brexiteers being utterly terrified of more democracy.

It doesn’t end though does it, there needs imho a 70/30 split to make it binding including the original vote!

 

[Triggaaar]

Meanwhile, Putin will be praying May's deal passes tonight.

Tonight?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Huge row going on in the commons now about tomorrow's vote. It will get voted down tomorrow, probably on procedural grounds as it stands. FFS

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Actually with both of mine we didn't mention the B word for 18 months after the vote, just too divisive.

But slowly both of them have realised for different reasons their decision was an error of judgement.

Have to give it to leave they may have cheated and it may have been criminal in places but it was highly effective

Meanwhile, Putin will be praying May's deal passes tonight.

You have outed them on here before as shameful leavers though.

I'm still amazed Remain, with all their spending advantages, taxpayer-funded propaganda, government machine, UK, European, Global elites, 'experts' galore still cocked it up so badly.

Putin obviously has a strong contempt for democracy, seeing so many people with a similar view in the UK must fill him with joy.

 

[Weststander]

I wonder what the opinion polls said before 2016 referendum ,the BBC commentators looked quite the shocked and gloomy the morning after.

The final poll was by YouGov who gave a 4% lead to Remain, with Populus the day before giving a 10% lead to Remain.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I fear it might just scrape through this time. May and her team have shaved off some of the points of the withdrawal and promised to throw herself under a bus if it gets through thus giving some of the waverers a view of the " sunny uplands " of the relationship with Europe when she is not around. However, its awfully undemocratic to keep bashing away with the same old " deal " time after time until it passes.

The DUP will vote against. There'll still be 30-50 Tories, mostly ERG/some remainers too. PD removal aside, I don't see what's changed from last night when it was dead to alter the numbers. It's just one last throw of the dice with the date of May 22nd added, all done on what should have been Brexit day in the hope Brexit MP's blink.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Any chance of you sharing these polls and research that you keep seeing with the rest of the class

I posted a link in my previous posts to the ones you quoted.