[Politics] Brexit

[Mellotron]

Ah! The old “immigration is okay if it’s me” argument. I think I’ve got the measure of it.

Surely if he's white, he's an "ex-pat"? That seems to be how it usually works.

 

[Chicken Run]

I have an in-law who voted Leave and stated they would now vote Remain, and also 2 other fairly close friends who did not vote but said they would 100% vote Remain this time.

I respect that, fwiw I have 2 in laws who didn’t vote last time and have said they would now vote leave.

 

[Two Professors]

All this rubbish about remain being in the majority surfacing again so soon after the 'massive' numbers wanting a sheeples vote turned out a bit short of 18 million?
About time the so-called elite recalled their maths lessons!

 

[Mellotron]

No. We voted to Leave.

You specifically voted for May's Deal back in June 2016? Impressive.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Speaker allows tomorrows vote.

 

[The Clamp]

“What has Cameron been doing?
The former PM has mainly been working on his much-anticipated memoirs. Cameron reportedly bought a £25,000 shepherd’s hut as a writing room but suffered from writer’s block”.

A shepherds hut! Hahah! Surely the toffs version of a hole in the ground?!


https://www.theweek.co.uk/72848/what-is-david-cameron-doing-now

 

[Mellotron]

I respect that, fwiw I have 2 in laws who didn’t vote last time and have said they would now vote leave.

Fair enough - and in the unlikely event that anecdotal evidence sees a perfect 50/50 split of changed minds, there is still the demographic shift. Remain still wins, hence Brexiteers being utterly terrified of more democracy.

 

[A1X]

No. We voted to Leave.

So you don't believe democracy should allow people to change their mind?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Speaker allows tomorrows vote.

So is the withdrawal agreement on its own compatible with Labour's preferred Brexit ?

 

[Ron Manager]

As a remainer just bored of the whole thing and worries about the aftermath mess for years to come, please can we just get on with it

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

“What has Cameron been doing?
The former PM has mainly been working on his much-anticipated memoirs. Cameron reportedly bought a £25,000 shepherd’s hut as a writing room but suffered from writer’s block”.

A shepherds hut! Hahah! Surely the toffs version of a hole in the ground?!


https://www.theweek.co.uk/72848/what-is-david-cameron-doing-now

Too busy going out shooting with Jeremy Clarkson in Chipping Norton ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As a remainer just bored of the whole thing and worries about the aftermath mess for years to come, please can we just get on with it

That would be good, but only with a deal in place.

 

[studio150]

Lots of head shaking in the Commons when tomorrows motion read out by Mrs Leadsom, so probably another defeat for Mrs May.

 

[Mellotron]

As a remainer just bored of the whole thing and worries about the aftermath mess for years to come, please can we just get on with it

I've already accepted we will be talking about Brexit for the rest of our lives.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yep.

The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves, just because of the current shenanigans, is a figment of remainers' imaginations.

Why on earth do some of you think leave voters will suddenly vote to remain in the EU because the Government made such a mess of leaving and because the EU made it difficult? Nothing about our reasons for voting to leave have changed.

According to the research I have seen the change in the opinion polls has mainly been due to people who couldn't decide and be bothered to vote last time saying they would now mainly vote remain next time (would they bother to vote?) and demographics (old voters dying off), very few have changed their minds.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Come off it. You don’t really believe that. Even ardent Remainers admit / can see the EU made it incredibly hard simply by doing nothing (mainly because it didn’t have to, which you’ve got begrudgingly admire as a strategy even if you are pro-leave)

So you agree that they haven't done anything. They couldn't do anything because we couldn't (and still can't) tell them what it is we actually want.

What are they supposed to do, use psychic powers to guess what we want. They, like so many of the UK population, have been bemused bystanders watching this whole entirely predictable narrative of a complete clusterf*** play out.

But of course it's their fault

 

[JC Footy Genius]

That doesn't sound right. The main reason people want another referendum is to have remain as an option.

We had our say in 2016, and voted to leave. The GE doesn't really count, as both main parties were promising to carry out the result of the referendum. And both occasions were before we had any idea of what leave would mean - indeed we still don't know. The suggestion is clearly that the public are asked once, when we know what leave would look like.

The main reason remainers want another referendum ... is to have remain as an option/have a second go.

 

[Dick Head]

Jeeze, if the only solution Parliament might back is remaining in a Customs Union why is not just staying in the EU an option? Why be a part of something you have no say in?

Hmm, hadn't thought of that. It sounds a bit too sensible. There must be a catch.

 

[Triggaaar]

The main reason remainers want another referendum ... is to have remain as an option/have a second go.

Yes, and those are the vast majority of people wanting another referendum. Not many leavers want one.

 

[vegster]

Fair enough - and in the unlikely event that anecdotal evidence sees a perfect 50/50 split of changed minds, there is still the demographic shift. Remain still wins, hence Brexiteers being utterly terrified of more democracy.

Having now seen that ALL forms of exit from the EU will lead to us being worse off in so many ways, how could anyone still vote leave if given the choice ?