[Politics] Brexit

[Baker lite]

Which makes it even more shameful that you used yours to sell Britain down the river.

On our way indeed .

How would you have Me vote?





On our way.


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[Blue Valkyrie]

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1092740115716362241?s=19

 

[Westdene Seagull]

But you all said that once we voted on something we should keep it. So how do we change it if we are not allowed another vote on anything!?

You really struggle with the differences between a referendum and a general election don't you ?

 

[Bold Seagull]

You really struggle with the differences between a referendum and a general election don't you ?

Our democracy certainly does.

 

[pastafarian]

But you all said that once we voted on something we should keep it. So how do we change it if we are not allowed another vote on anything!?

You cant be this stupid….its not possible.
No one has ever said you cant vote to rejoin the EU after we have left.

Surely no one can be so dim to back your post and to actually think you have a point……....…oh hold on

They are terrified of true democracy.

well no surprises there, the competition for village idiot though is ramping up as the remoaners (not the same as remainers) start to lose the plot.
looking like a two horse race unless there are any late entries

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-charity-law-by-campaigning-for-hard-brexit

In its warning, the commission said: “The launch event provided a platform for parliamentarians, known to publicly and vocally support a particular outcome from the UK’s exit from the European Union, to launch an alternative plan to the current one being pursued by government.

“This clearly constitutes political activity and, as it does not further the educational purposes of the IEA, any costs incurred by the IEA will have been an inappropriate use of charitable resources.”

The commission added that all the politicians at the launch were “people known publicly to support a particular approach or outcome to Brexit and three of the four were from the same political party. By inviting only those who held a particular set of views, IEA risked the public perception that the IEA is politically biased and has a political viewpoint opposed to the government’s current Brexit policy.”

 

[pastafarian]

Our democracy certainly does.

A pedant would say legally and constitutionally you are wrong and that our democracy fully understands the difference between a referendum and an election and does not struggle with the differences at all, they are crystal clear and defined by law. Some individuals however like plook though really do struggle to understand the difference……he is obviously not alone on this thread.

 

[Bold Seagull]

A pedant would say legally and constitutionally you are wrong and that our democracy fully understands the difference between a referendum and an election and does not struggle with the differences at all, they are crystal clear and defined by law. Some individuals however like plook though really do struggle to understand the difference……he is obviously not alone on this thread.

There is a reason we have very few referendums. I think everyone on both side, at the edges, or in the middle would agree, the process exposes how the will of the people through referendum can clash with the will of our elected representatives through Parliament. I would be shocked if you cannot see that.

 

[pastafarian]

There is a reason we have very few referendums. I think everyone on both side, at the edges, or in the middle would agree, the process exposes how the will of the people through referendum can clash with the will of our elected representatives through Parliament. I would be shocked if you cannot see that.

They do clash, everyone knows that i dont disagree.....but the point was some people like plooks cant see how they are different and think they are the same..........obviously they are not, legally and constitutionally they are different.

Ps i am happy for more direct democracy in the future(like switzerland). If anything the current failure of parliament to come to a consensus on how we leave should kick them into touch......let us decide how we leave......deal or no deal

 

[pastafarian]

They do clash, everyone knows that i dont disagree.....but the point was some people like plooks cant see how they are different and think they are the same..........obviously they are not, legally and constitutionally they are different.

double post

 

[Dorset Seagull]

There is a reason we have very few referendums. I think everyone on both side, at the edges, or in the middle would agree, the process exposes how the will of the people through referendum can clash with the will of our elected representatives through Parliament. I would be shocked if you cannot see that.

I suspect that much of that clash is a result of the way they are conducted as in 1 man 1 vote or first past the post

 

[WATFORD zero]

Ps i am happy for more direct democracy in the future(like switzerland). If anything the current failure of parliament to come to a consensus on how we leave should kick them into touch......let us decide how we leave......deal or no deal

Well 'direct democracy' and referendums have worked well to date.

Maybe taking very complex situations and distilling them down to a yes/no vote, then letting someone else deal with all the implications is the way ahead.

Then we could all moan at the people dealing with the implications for not doing what we imagined was going to be done

 

[pastafarian]

Well 'direct democracy' and referendums have worked well to date.

Maybe taking very complex situations and distilling them down to a yes/no vote, then letting someone else deal with all the implications is the way ahead

more direct democracy suits me fine, i am perfectly happy to respect the democratic outcome of a referendum vote even if i lose,Switzerland is grown up enough to make it integral to their democracy. The problem we have here in the UK is immature infantile losers who cannot stand people disagreeing with someone else’s opinion......which is where we are with remoaners like you.

You were too slow with your usual edit for it to be included

 

[Baldseagull]

They do clash, everyone knows that i dont disagree.....but the point was some people like plooks cant see how they are different and think they are the same..........obviously they are not, legally and constitutionally they are different.

Ps i am happy for more direct democracy in the future(like switzerland). If anything the current failure of parliament to come to a consensus on how we leave should kick them into touch......let us decide how we leave......deal or no deal

Another referendum is a nice idea Pasta, but there must be some version of leave that is so shit for you, that even you would prefer to remain?

 

[Baldseagull]

more direct democracy suits me fine, i am perfectly happy to respect the democratic outcome of a referendum vote even if i lose,Switzerland is grown up enough to make it integral to their democracy. The problem we have here in the UK is immature infantile losers who cannot stand people disagreeing with someone else’s opinion......which is where we are with remoaners like you.

You were too slow with your usual edit for it to be included

It is more the disagreeing with reality that gets up my nose.

 

[WATFORD zero]

more direct democracy suits me fine, i am perfectly happy to respect the democratic outcome of a referendum vote even if i lose,Switzerland is grown up enough to make it integral to their democracy. The problem we have here in the UK is immature infantile losers who cannot stand people disagreeing with someone else’s opinion......which is where we are with remoaners like you.

I think you've proven why Britain isn't ready with your extremely mature response

You were too slow with your usual edit for it to be included

 

[pastafarian]

Another referendum is a nice idea Pasta, but there must be some version of leave that is so shit for you, that even you would prefer to remain?

If my referendum on how to leave is a nice idea lets have it. How would you remainers vote?

A/ leave accepting the withdrawal agreement
or
B/ leave with no deal

Every single version of being not in the EU is better than being in it.
No Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change.........always scope for being more out than in.

 

[A1X]

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[pastafarian]

I think you've proven why Britain isn't ready with your extremely mature response

You were too slow with your usual edit for it to be included

Nope didnt edit, you just omitted it because thats the type of person you are
You know what you are.....embrace it......you have to live with it

 

[A1X]

If my referendum on how to leave is a nice idea lets have it. How would you remainers vote?

A/ leave accepting the withdrawal agreement
or
B/ leave with no deal

Every single version of being not in the EU is better than being in it.
No Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change.........always scope for being more out than in.

Such a referendum question wouldn't be permitted because "No Deal" is not something which could get through the electoral commission, as it would involve reneging on international treaties ratified by the UK Parliament and by other legislatures (notably the Irish and US ones). The only version of Leave which would be deemed palatable is May's deal, meaning that in order for a contrast the only other option which could be permitted is Remain.