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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern


A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,544
Deepest, darkest Sussex
As an island nation fisher is very emotive, but it contributes very little to the economy and the Brexiteers pensions

As a percentage of GDP, fishing actually is as big a contributor to that as an industry as the porn industry. Both around the same as a percentage.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,327
Always enjoy Norman Smith's plain speaking contributions on the BBC bulletins. By any normal selection criteria should be The Beeb's political editor instead of deputy.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,171
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Seems like it's May's deal or *No deal* now.

Of course, with May's deal we still get *No deal* 18 months or so later, but at least we get those 18 extra months to enjoy life with our families. And 18 months to pray for a black swan game changer turning up.

Just hope that the MPs vote for May's deal in the end.

She's buying Labour MP's now to vote for her deal. 'Investing/regeneration' funds are coming in their leave voting constituencies. Just saw John Mann on Sky News - he's game.
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,952
Surrey
That story makes no sense. The fishing industry bemoans leaving the EU because it won't be be able to sell its fish there but welcomes leaving the EU because it means they'll be able to catch more fish.

What's the point of catching more if they can't sell them?

The obvious conclusion is that they assumed we'd be outside the EU but inside a customs union - which is pretty much the Labour party's view too. It is only the Tories that are stupidly ruling out staying inside the customs union to appease the ERG lunatics in parliament and similar-minded clowns now overrunning the Conservatives in the provinces, having returned from UKIP in their droves.
 


Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
She's buying Labour MP's now to vote for her deal. 'Investing/regeneration' in their leave voting constituencies. Just saw John Mann on Sky News - he's game.
It makes sense why the ERG are so against the backstop - it stuffs their *no deal* plan for leaving at the end of the May deal transition period ( with a new ERG PM ).

If the May deal goes through we need a labour Government to keep the ERG far, far away from the next phase. And that means even the unelectable Corbyn must somehow get in.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,171
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
That story makes no sense. The fishing industry bemoans leaving the EU because it won't be be able to sell its fish there but welcomes leaving the EU because it means they'll be able to catch more fish.

What's the point of catching more if they can't sell them?

Fishermen in Hastings believed leaving the EU meant they'd catch more fish and still be able to sell them all tariff free in Boulogne-sur-Mer as per now. The leader of Hastings Borough Council told them this would not be case post Brexit for example, but they wouldn't listen.
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
That story makes no sense. The fishing industry bemoans leaving the EU because it won't be be able to sell its fish there but welcomes leaving the EU because it means they'll be able to catch more fish.

What's the point of catching more if they can't sell them?

Absolutely none. However, with other foodstuffs in short supply, we might have a market for more of their catch than usual. Other nations fishermen will fish under licence I expect, doing nothing for UK fishermen or industry, but will put a few quid in the treasury.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
Absolutely none. However, with other foodstuffs in short supply, we might have a market for more of their catch than usual.

There are two problems with that. Firstly, the fish we eat (cod and haddock mainly) are generally imported so we'd have to get used to eating other species. Second, if there's suddenly a glut of one type of fish in the UK, the prices will come down (by the law of supply and demand) so fishermen won't get the same price as they would selling abroad.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Belgian fishermen on the BBC news worried that if they catch fish in British waters post-Brexit,they will be subject to extra checks as imports from non-EU waters.Perhaps they could sell them in Newhaven-sur-mer,or Shoreham-sur-mer?
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
O/T a bit,but when that Fiona Onasanya finally gets locked up,does her pairing partner in Parliament go to jail to keep things even?Could Labour have sacked her,instead of withdrawing the whip?
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patron
Jul 16, 2003
58,792
hassocks


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
Could Labour have sacked her,instead of withdrawing the whip?

No. She's an elected MP and Labour has no power to sack her. It's the same principle as an MP switching parties, the party he/she leaves has no jurisdiction.

If the sentence is a certain length (a year I believe), the MP is compelled to resign
 










beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
There are two problems with that. Firstly, the fish we eat (cod and haddock mainly) are generally imported so we'd have to get used to eating other species. Second, if there's suddenly a glut of one type of fish in the UK, the prices will come down (by the law of supply and demand) so fishermen won't get the same price as they would selling abroad.

touching on supply/demand dynamic, what should happen is either the price lowers until offsets the tariff and continues to sell in the export market, or the export market soaks up the tariff with a price rise, possibly reducing volume slightly. most likely combination. the idea there would suddenly be thousands of tons of product unsold is unrealistic, the Spaniard will still want their fresh fish.
 






nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,574
Gods country fortnightly
As a percentage of GDP, fishing actually is as big a contributor to that as an industry as the porn industry. Both around the same as a percentage.

A fraction over 0.1% of economic output..
 


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