[Politics] Brexit

[CHAPPERS]

We reached an agreement with the European Union in relation to the withdrawal agreement and the future partnership. That was put to a vote of MPs, and MPs rejected that deal, including the withdrawal agreement, by 230 votes. The prime minister is absolutely committed to leaving the EU with a deal, but clearly if we are to obtain parliamentary support for that deal, some changes will have to be made.

And they are going to tell you to **** off.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I am sure that you right when you say that the EU has done some good for the country -I suspect that the benefits have been largely unsung and thus unnoticed. But; the many thousands (but not all, of course) of eastern Europeans here working are in relatively unskilled jobs, and so it is hardly as if foreign governments have paid to train them. The government did not vote to leave the EU - the electorate did. And as to your assertion that EU citizens are thinking of going home, rather more evidence than that would be needed to make the case that you are trying to do. All I know is the ones who live near me and I see on a virtual day to day basis, have no intention of going home.

Immigration figures do show EU citizens are leaving nationally though. I personally think it's very noticeable in the Hastings area that there are less eastern Europeans about than there were 5 years ago, say. Barmen, barmaids, Polski Skleps, people you pass on the streets - seems far less of them to me. Recruitment agencies that got staff for farms over the border can't anywhere near get the numbers they used to. Take The White Rock Hotel as an example on the seafront - they were advertising for vacancies on their door in the summer. That's never happened before.

Since that Polish assistant manager bloke who cleaned the toilets moved to the Bexhill branch to chase the big bucks and glory, the Hastings branch of JD Wetherspoon's PLC does not have a single eastern European working in it anymore. I must say that both the cleanliness of that pub and general toilet experience in that dump of a place has declined since his move and I have barred myself from going in there now.

 

[A1X]

Major Retailers: "No Deal Brexit will lead to food shortages"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748

NHS officials "very close to panic" over No Deal Brexit
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...very-close-to-panic-over-nodeal-a4050481.html

 

[ManOfSussex]

Panic on the streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again?
The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But honey pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself......................

 

[CHAPPERS]

And they are going to tell you to **** off.

We have a unanimous EU27 position on the withdrawal agreement which reflects the common EU position. This withdrawal agreement has been agreed with the UK government, it is endorsed by leaders and is not open for renegotiation.

Yep.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

This is a tame and deflective response isn’t it.

I’m not moaning about the EU I am explaining it’s operating practices based on historical precedent. I am not saying that QE didn’t help the EZ countries either, it surely did, however the ECB was not intended to operate a QE programme, hence the legal action by the Germans.

That is why whatever you say the about rules as they are currently set out, they are only a crisis away from being torn up. What’s more an economic crisis in the EZ is not a intellectual stretch is it?

EZ banks and Govts are still loaded with debt, QE has flushed €2.6trn through the economy yet the EZ interest rate remains stubbornly at 0%. Throw in Spain, France and Portugal currently acting outside the euro fiscal rules, plus the problems in Italy and Greece then the picture is not healthy.

This situation has nothing to do with the ERG or Brexiteers, but should be defendable by those who advocate locking ourselves to the fortunes of the EU.

We had austerity in the EU, not as bad as Club Med, but that was in the EU.

We are not going to agree on much but your last sentence does you no favours. The Club Med member states have hugely benefitted from their time in the EU - even more than we have. Of course we can't replay history, but I think your hypothesis seems to be that the member states would have negotiated the global financial crisis better if they had not been in the EU and then as a corollary that they would do so if and when there is another such crisis...…………..Am I right in this interpretation? (QE aside, remember how foreign exchange markets can savage a vulnerable country when outside of the EZ as we ourselves might be about to find out? The euro proved to be relatively robust.)

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

We ought to open a book on the odds for the various amendments being tabled for the Commons tomorrow...…………….I'm going for Yvette Cooper's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46959545

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Major Retailers: "No Deal Brexit will lead to food shortages"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748

NHS officials "very close to panic" over No Deal Brexit
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...very-close-to-panic-over-nodeal-a4050481.html

Will doubtless dismissed as Project Fear by the hard core leavers. I'm off to dig the allotment...………………...

 

[CHAPPERS]

NHS officials "very close to panic" over No Deal Brexit
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...very-close-to-panic-over-nodeal-a4050481.html

UCLH chiefs say they will invoke “major incident” procedures if the UK crashes out with no deal and medical supplies, staffing and patient safety are jeopardised. The trust said the number of its EU staff leaving had exceeded those joining for the first time.

Oh good, they already understaffed NHS is now going to have even less staff. Well done to all involved.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Best enjoy these last 8-10 weeks before the Civil Contingencies Act hits us with the *No Deal* inevitable on-coming storm.

Even those who 'won' will now 'lose'.
We all will.

How did it come to this ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

How did it come to this ?

I feel that once the result was in, the Tories ballsed it up by not having a Brexit Bod in charge of negotiations with that lot.

 

[A1X]

Best enjoy these last 8-10 weeks before the Civil Contingencies Act hits us with the *No Deal* inevitable on-coming storm.

A lot of talk that this will involve a 9pm curfew in most major cities. So probably advisable not to stay on too long after the Southampton game the day we leave.

The more you think about, the more it seems incredible that hardly anyone made more of the calling up of army reservists a few weeks ago, passed almost without comment.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I feel that once the result was in, the Tories ballsed it up by not having a Brexit Bod in charge of negotiations with that lot.

There has been a succession of Brexiter Brexit Secretaries.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

A lot of talk that this will involve a 9pm curfew in most major cities. So probably advisable not to stay on too long after the Southampton game the day we leave.

The more you think about, the more it seems incredible that hardly anyone made more of the calling up of army reservists a few weeks ago, passed almost without comment.

It strikes me as a bit of a vote-loser, but then again who needs future elections ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

There has been a succession of Brexiter Brexit Secretaries.

I meant 'in charge'....giving someone a fancy title but letting Remainer May run the show in reality was not the way to get this done properly.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I meant 'in charge'....giving someone a fancy title but letting Remainer May run the show in reality was not the way to get this done properly.

Wouldn't have made any difference, remainers or those favouring soft brexit still out number brexit mps in the government, and across parliament. If anything, we'd probably be faced with even more chaos.

Thought this was a good article by a Tory voting Guardian journalist:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/27/tory-values-conservative-party-repellent-brexit

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Panic on the streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again?
The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But honey pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself......................

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Maybe I'm missing something here and being whooshed but he supports leave

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Maybe I'm missing something here and being whooshed but he supports leave

Stands to reason. He may be a brilliant lyricist and fantastically charismatic front-man, but let's face it, he's been a complete cock for at least ten years.

 

[A1X]

Will doubtless dismissed as Project Fear by the hard core leavers. I'm off to dig the allotment...………………...

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[Is it PotG?]

Thought this was a good article by a Tory voting Guardian journalist:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/27/tory-values-conservative-party-repellent-brexit

One thing most can agree on, all of this has certainly muddied the waters for many voters next time it comes to a GE. Democracy, Right ,Left et al have all suffered significantly.