[Politics] Brexit

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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

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Good news indeed. But such developments are despite Brexit not because of it? Only when you see jobs created by Foreign Direct Investment and expansion in sales as a result of us leaving the EU (and preferably directly linked to the Liam Fox trade deals) could these be claimed as a 'Brexit win'. And then you'd need to tally these against the jobs lost from Brexit...…………...and then be proud (or more probably not, as the case may be).

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just staggering - this guy has been writing for the right-wing press for years and - by his own admission - he hasn't got a f*cking clue what he's talking about when it comes to Brexit.

I have yet to hear from anyone, from the ERG to the little group of 'no dealers' on here, who actually have a f***ing clue how they think 'no deal' is going to work. You know, just the very bare basics, like how WTO default tariffs are going to effect the agriculture, food, clothing, motoring, manufacturing sectors and how it is going to be collected and managed at the ports and airports in 63 days time.

It is actually quite amusing to see JRM, Boris and Nige furiously back-pedalling, leaving some of our regular no 'deal posters' on here, leaderless. But they are definitely not all thick, they just hold differing views on how it would work.

And then they struggle to explain how it would work with those differing views

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Good news indeed. But such developments are despite Brexit not because of it? Only when you see jobs created by Foreign Direct Investment and expansion in sales as a result of us leaving the EU (and preferably directly linked to the Liam Fox trade deals) could these be claimed as a 'Brexit win'. And then you'd need to tally these against the jobs lost from Brexit...…………...and then be proud (or more probably not, as the case may be).

Just trying to inject a little bit of positively. I also hear your points. Think in the end, things will balance out.

 

[The Clamp]

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With the amount of jobs and industries under threat , those job numbers are trifling.
Of course some new places are going to open. For example the high street is on its arse, shops still open up but the overall trend is decline. As it is for British manafacturing, helped along by Brexit.

 

[fanseagull]

Just trying to inject a little bit of positively. I also hear your points. Think in the end, things will balance out.

In the end?
Not very reassuring I'm afraid.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just trying to inject a little bit of positively. I also hear your points. Think in the end, things will balance out.

I don't wish to appear rude but why do you think 'in the end, things will balance out'. I'm genuinely interested in what you believe is going to happen over the next 3 months to support this level of optimism ?

 

[Blue3]

Going to see it more and more - JRM wants to close parliament and this today.

DD's bribe from JCB coming out

Dyson fleeing the country

The Dutch Government stated yesterday that more than 250 UK companies have contacted them as they prepare to relocate to mainland Europe inquiring which countries offer the best financial base plus location and transport links

 

[A1X]

I think a lot of people still believing in Brexit subscribe to the notion of "it'll all work out in the end". Like this is a Disney film or something. Sometimes things don't just work out in the end. This is looking more and more like one of those things.

 

[portslade seagull]

With the amount of jobs and industries under threat , those job numbers are trifling.
Of course some new places are going to open. For example the high street is on its arse, shops still open up but the overall trend is decline. As it is for British manafacturing, helped along by Brexit.

Maybe if you can convince the millions that would rather use the internet to buy things to actually use the shops on the high street things would improve. Not a Brexit issue

 

[The Clamp]

Maybe if you can convince the millions that would rather use the internet to buy things to actually use the shops on the high street things would improve. Not a Brexit issue

I didn’t say the high street decline was due to Brexit. Our high streets have been in decline for years. However, the uncertainty Brexit is causing is certainly another problem shops are facing. But as I say, certainly not initially caused by Brexit.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Totally agree. That's a mighty cheap shot by the MP. Suspect his dad would be ashamed of him.

I have a great uncle buried in Normandy. I've visited his grave twice.

I do genuinely believe the total Armageddon of no deal is a realistic one. At present we're rearranging the deckchairs of the sinking Titanic.

 

[clapham_gull]

There are many valid reasons to leave but I wish leavers who have been conned ERG wise up very quickly.

For them leaving the EU is simply a means to an end to turn the UK into a low regulation, gig economy tax haven.

The economist influencing Rees Mogg is quite happy to say that Farming and Manufacturing will die in his utopian future.

It really is worth digging out interviews with Rees Mogg when he is actively challenged. He fails to answer and will quickly change the subject, his supposed knowledge on world trade is pulled to pieces.

Be very very afraid. It's a return to the trickle down 80s economics which any serious economist knows failed.

It was supposed to increase the middle class but it has had the opposite effect.

If you fear Corbyn and his attempt to have a stab at Marxism/socialism in the UK again, apply your fear to Rees Mogg also. He is just as dangerous.



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[Ernest]

I have a great uncle buried in Normandy. I've visited his grave twice.

I do genuinely believe the total Armageddon of no deal is a realistic one. At present we're rearranging the deckchairs of the sinking Titanic.

If Francois is so patriotic why has he totally ruined this country with his ERG mates

 

[Hampster Gull]

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There will always be examples of investment in this great country, unfortunately in a Brexit world it will be less than we would otherwise get. It’s the hard working that will suffer with this ideological nonsense

 

[Geestar]

So many experts...if only NSC could run the country

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[beorhthelm]

Be very very afraid. It's a return to the trickle down 80s economics which any serious economist knows failed.

serious economist wouldnt use term trickle down, its a bogey man used by the left to disparage something they didnt like. supply side economics extolled in the 80's did work, there were consequences, but achived intended results of contained inflation and increase growth.

for the rest, ERG have sold us a lemon, dont seem to have actually had that much thought into what to do after soundbites. they seem to think light touch applies to leadership and developing policy.

 

[nicko31]

Good news indeed. But such developments are despite Brexit not because of it? Only when you see jobs created by Foreign Direct Investment and expansion in sales as a result of us leaving the EU (and preferably directly linked to the Liam Fox trade deals) could these be claimed as a 'Brexit win'. And then you'd need to tally these against the jobs lost from Brexit...…………...and then be proud (or more probably not, as the case may be).

Great news but sadly a drop in the ocean compared to the haemorrhaging in the past couple of weeks

 

[WATFORD zero]

serious economist wouldnt use term trickle down, its a bogey man used by the left to disparage something they didnt like. supply side economics extolled in the 80's did work, there were consequences, but achived intended results of contained inflation and increase growth.

for the rest, ERG have sold us a lemon, dont seem to have actually had that much thought into what to do after soundbites. they seem to think light touch applies to leadership and developing policy.

I'm afraid that the ERG only sold a lemon to people who were in the market to buy lemons.

It wasn't as if they sold a lemon to anyone who didn't already have it on their shopping list.

 

[Hampster Gull]

So many experts...if only NSC could run the country

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Would do a better job than the current shambles in Government and Parliament.







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